What vehicle do you drive?

ToeMissile · Friday at 10:01 PM

Palum said:
Alright here are the vehicles I've scored so far. I've decided to expand the size category slightly and allow some coupes. I'm still heavily biased towards wanting a manual but might consider otherwise for the right car. Scores are out of 5. Feel free to argue scores. However, these are weighted towards the category of car not overall (hence utility being more luggage space and cabin room for road trips). Price I have just been looking up mean prices online for about the condition/mileage that are obtainable (theoretically cheaper is possible, as is much more expensive).

Looks : Subjective overall aesthetics
Fun: + convertible and manual - slushbox <> DCT
Utility: luggage and cabin space (can it handle going on a vacation)
Comfort: overall cabin comfort for driving (incl passenger)
Reliability: cross section of reliability, price for maintenance, quality, etc.
Performance: cross section of handling, ride quality, raw power, etc. (remember this list is more GT mission focused not track)

Any others I should add? Probably put M2, M3 and M4 on here.

Brand Model Trim(s) Engine Trans Years Looks Fun Utility Comfort Reliability Performance Total Price Thousands$/Pt
BMW Z4 sDrive35i 300 I6 6M 2012-2016
4
3
2
4
2
3
18
22000
1.22
BMW Z4 sDrive35is 335 I6 7A-DCT 2012-2017
4
2
2
4
2
3
17
25000
1.47
BMW Z5 sDrive30i 255 I4 8A 2019-2022
4
2
3
4
3
3
19
35000
1.84
Chevrolet C7 Stingray/Z51 Conv 455 V8 7M 2014-2019
5
5
3
4
4
5
26
40000
1.54
Porsche 981 Boxster 265 H6 6M 2012-2016
4
4
2
4
3
4
21
40000
1.90
Porsche 981 Cayman 265 H6 6M 2012-2016
5
3
3
4
3
4
22
45000
2.05
Ford S550 EcoBoost P Conv 310 I4 6M 2015-2023
4
3
4
3
4
3
21
23000
1.10
Ford S550 GT P Conv 460 V8 6M 2015-2023
4
4
4
3
4
4
23
32000
1.39
Ford S550 GT350 526 V8 6M 2016-2018
5
4
4
3
4
5
25
45000
1.80
Mini Roadster S 181 I4 6M 2012-2015
2
3
1
3
3
2
14
15000
1.07
Dodge Challenger ScatPack 485 V8 6M 2017-2022
4
3
4
3
3
3
20
35000
1.75
Mazda MX-5 RF Club/GT 181 I4 6M 2018-2022
5
3
1
2
4
3
18
28000
1.56
Mazda MX-5 Club/GT 181 I4 6M 2018-2022
4
3
1
2
4
3
17
25000
1.47
Subaru BRZ RWD 205 H4 6M 2015-2021
3
3
2
2
4
3
17
24000
1.41

Is TCO a factor? Also, you need some charts for this data!

Palum · Friday at 10:16 PM

ToeMissile said:
Is TCO a factor? Also, you need some charts for this data!

Sort of, I guess I am rolling it into reliability in some measure. It's hard to gauge certain things 2nd hand, for example Porsche's are more expensive to service, but generally they are described as fairly reliable if you properly maintain them. The US based stuff seems like it would be a lot cheaper to maintain long-term.

Burren · Friday at 10:42 PM

Palum said:
Alright here are the vehicles I've scored so far. I've decided to expand the size category slightly and allow some coupes. I'm still heavily biased towards wanting a manual but might consider otherwise for the right car. Scores are out of 5. Feel free to argue scores. However, these are weighted towards the category of car not overall (hence utility being more luggage space and cabin room for road trips). Price I have just been looking up mean prices online for about the condition/mileage that are obtainable (theoretically cheaper is possible, as is much more expensive).

Looks : Subjective overall aesthetics
Fun: + convertible and manual - slushbox <> DCT
Utility: luggage and cabin space (can it handle going on a vacation)
Comfort: overall cabin comfort for driving (incl passenger)
Reliability: cross section of reliability, price for maintenance, quality, etc.
Performance: cross section of handling, ride quality, raw power, etc. (remember this list is more GT mission focused not track)

Any others I should add? Probably put M2, M3 and M4 on here.

Brand Model Trim(s) Engine Trans Years Looks Fun Utility Comfort Reliability Performance Total Price Thousands$/Pt
BMW Z4 sDrive35i 300 I6 6M 2012-2016
4
3
2
4
2
3
18
22000
1.22
BMW Z4 sDrive35is 335 I6 7A-DCT 2012-2017
4
2
2
4
2
3
17
25000
1.47
BMW Z5 sDrive30i 255 I4 8A 2019-2022
4
2
3
4
3
3
19
35000
1.84
Chevrolet C7 Stingray/Z51 Conv 455 V8 7M 2014-2019
5
5
3
4
4
5
26
40000
1.54
Porsche 981 Boxster 265 H6 6M 2012-2016
4
4
2
4
3
4
21
40000
1.90
Porsche 981 Cayman 265 H6 6M 2012-2016
5
3
3
4
3
4
22
45000
2.05
Ford S550 EcoBoost P Conv 310 I4 6M 2015-2023
4
3
4
3
4
3
21
23000
1.10
Ford S550 GT P Conv 460 V8 6M 2015-2023
4
4
4
3
4
4
23
32000
1.39
Ford S550 GT350 526 V8 6M 2016-2018
5
4
4
3
4
5
25
45000
1.80
Mini Roadster S 181 I4 6M 2012-2015
2
3
1
3
3
2
14
15000
1.07
Dodge Challenger ScatPack 485 V8 6M 2017-2022
4
3
4
3
3
3
20
35000
1.75
Mazda MX-5 RF Club/GT 181 I4 6M 2018-2022
5
3
1
2
4
3
18
28000
1.56
Mazda MX-5 Club/GT 181 I4 6M 2018-2022
4
3
1
2
4
3
17
25000
1.47
Subaru BRZ RWD 205 H4 6M 2015-2021
3
3
2
2
4
3
17
24000
1.41

Listing my Z06 for sale in a week or two. Initially I was going to use the broker that sold one of my GT3s. Fits your criteria, but it’s NOT a car for someone new to power.

Katech Heads/cam build with intake manifold, full exhaust, tune, clutch, BC Racing wheels, carbon fiber interior. Mint condition with ~20,000 miles. 596 rear wheel HP and it weights about 3,100 pounds. Big Toyo R888R tires all around help but it’s still a handful.

Happy to share more with you if it’s of interest.

Lambourne · Saturday at 3:08 AM

I'd add the BMW 440i convertible, newer generation B58 engine which is not as trouble prone as some of the earlier 35i engines. Had that engine in a 5, it's seriously awesome, sounds great too. Stay the hell away from any tuned BMW engines unless you want to find out what LSPI stands for (basically 5 figure repair bills).

Personally I never thought M cars were worth the considerable extra cost and worse ride unless you're looking for a track toy.

Always loved the look of this generation of SLK but I have little first hand knowledge about them. Definitely comes with a stick, in Euro markets at least.

Palum · Saturday at 7:09 AM

Burren said:
Listing my Z06 for sale in a week or two. Initially I was going to use the broker that sold one of my GT3s. Fits your criteria, but it’s NOT a car for someone new to power.

Katech Heads/cam build with intake manifold, full exhaust, tune, clutch, BC Racing wheels, carbon fiber interior. Mint condition with ~20,000 miles. 596 rear wheel HP and it weights about 3,100 pounds. Big Toyo R888R tires all around help but it’s still a handful.

Happy to share more with you if it’s of interest.

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Looks like an amazing car, but it seems like pricing on those is still up there, clean one would be well past my price range.

Palum · Saturday at 7:17 AM

Lambourne said:
I'd add the BMW 440i convertible, newer generation B58 engine which is not as trouble prone as some of the earlier 35i engines. Had that engine in a 5, it's seriously awesome, sounds great too. Stay the hell away from any tuned BMW engines unless you want to find out what LSPI stands for (basically 5 figure repair bills).

Personally I never thought M cars were worth the considerable extra cost and worse ride unless you're looking for a track toy.

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Always loved the look of this generation of SLK but I have little first hand knowledge about them. Definitely comes with a stick, in Euro markets at least.

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Yea I had considered adding some of the x35/x40 vehicles to the list. I think the M badge is just a shortcut to finding a well optioned. The dilemma is a lot of those more basic BMWs are not cared for and in meh condition, just like M cars that have been abused.

The SLK looks decent, just seems a lot less common and available in trims that are decent in the US. Pretty sure manuals stopped be offered earlier too. But man early AMG GTs are so classy.

Burren · Saturday at 10:07 AM

Lambourne said:
I'd add the BMW 440i convertible, newer generation B58 engine which is not as trouble prone as some of the earlier 35i engines. Had that engine in a 5, it's seriously awesome, sounds great too. Stay the hell away from any tuned BMW engines unless you want to find out what LSPI stands for (basically 5 figure repair bills).

Personally I never thought M cars were worth the considerable extra cost and worse ride unless you're looking for a track toy.

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Always loved the look of this generation of SLK but I have little first hand knowledge about them. Definitely comes with a stick, in Euro markets at least.

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Yup, all the updated/new B58 powered cars are stout.

Palum · Saturday at 10:52 AM

Burren said:
Yup, all the updated/new B58 powered cars are stout.

What do you think of C7s?

Burren · Saturday at 10:56 AM

Palum said:
What do you think of C7s?

Very good bang for the buck. I’d pick the Grand Sport; wide body and brakes/suspension of the Z06 but a more reliable motor and more reasonable daily usable power. Apple CarPlay is nice to have. Comfortable ride. Prices are still high-ish though; $65k-$85k for great examples (mileage and trim level depending).

A Z51 equipped Stingray is almost as good (narrow body though) for a third less.

Vepil · Saturday at 11:29 AM

Does the new Grand Cherokee and/or Wagoneer still have the axle going through the oil pan?

Hekotat · Saturday at 1:32 PM

Vepil said:
Does the new Grand Cherokee and/or Wagoneer still have the axle going through the oil pan?

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JEEP, not even once.

ToeMissile · Saturday at 2:15 PM

Vepil said:
Does the new Grand Cherokee and/or Wagoneer still have the axle going through the oil pan?

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I can’t imagine the ridiculous fights that happened between design teams for that to happen.

Lambourne · Saturday at 2:26 PM

Axle through the oil pan is fairly common. At least that's still an aluminium oil pan, they're often made of plastic these days, even on heavy duty vehicles like semis.

Mizake · Sunday at 4:22 AM

Fucker said:
Manzoni. Pininfarina hasn't designed a Ferrari since the one-off P4/5

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I know. I meant that Pinanfarina designed the last good looking Ferrari, and it’s been downhill since then

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Brand	Model	Trim(s)	Engine	Trans	Years	Looks	Fun	Utility	Comfort	Reliability	Performance	Total	Price	Thousands$/Pt
BMW	Z4	sDrive35i	300 I6	6M	2012-2016	4	3	2	4	2	3	18	22000	1.22
BMW	Z4	sDrive35is	335 I6	7A-DCT	2012-2017	4	2	2	4	2	3	17	25000	1.47
BMW	Z5	sDrive30i	255 I4	8A	2019-2022	4	2	3	4	3	3	19	35000	1.84
Chevrolet	C7	Stingray/Z51 Conv	455 V8	7M	2014-2019	5	5	3	4	4	5	26	40000	1.54
Porsche	981	Boxster	265 H6	6M	2012-2016	4	4	2	4	3	4	21	40000	1.90
Porsche	981	Cayman	265 H6	6M	2012-2016	5	3	3	4	3	4	22	45000	2.05
Ford	S550	EcoBoost P Conv	310 I4	6M	2015-2023	4	3	4	3	4	3	21	23000	1.10
Ford	S550	GT P Conv	460 V8	6M	2015-2023	4	4	4	3	4	4	23	32000	1.39
Ford	S550	GT350	526 V8	6M	2016-2018	5	4	4	3	4	5	25	45000	1.80
Mini	Roadster	S	181 I4	6M	2012-2015	2	3	1	3	3	2	14	15000	1.07
Dodge	Challenger	ScatPack	485 V8	6M	2017-2022	4	3	4	3	3	3	20	35000	1.75
Mazda	MX-5 RF	Club/GT	181 I4	6M	2018-2022	5	3	1	2	4	3	18	28000	1.56
Mazda	MX-5	Club/GT	181 I4	6M	2018-2022	4	3	1	2	4	3	17	25000	1.47
Subaru	BRZ	RWD	205 H4	6M	2015-2021	3	3	2	2	4	3	17	24000	1.41