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Tmac

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What are you trying to say? That 70% of their followers aren"t fake? That I don"t know what I"m talking about? That I"m lying about something the majority of people are incapable of understanding?



I guess i can google it for you since you are unable.

Obama Has Millions of Fake Twitter Followers [UPDATED]
Lady Gaga"s Twitter Spam: Up To 72 Percent Of Megastar"s Followers Could Be Fake
Update: Only 92% of Newt Gingrich"s Twitter Followers Are Fake
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Social Media metrics are an absolute joke.
I wasn"t accusing you of anything. I"m just saying, from a business perspective, without data to back it up, words are just words.

I appreciate the links! <3 And yeah...the more I learn about getting followers the more depressing it is.
 

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Tyen said:
They do rank their own sites. Why would you think they don"t?
Maybe because the ROI on your time of doing 4000 gigs for $20k over the course of a year sounds pretty shitty if you"re someone who can actually rank something? I assume that anyone slinging fiverr gigs is someone who can"t make more by doing something else with his time.

That"s not a derogatory statement, even if it sounds like it though. I don"t doubt that they"re respectable providers of the services they offer, but someone isn"t an SEO guru just because he has an xrumer install. If someone wants that type of link and knows what they"re getting, then fantastic, everyone"s happy.

However, my original point was that it"s a bad idea to send someone who knows nothing about SEO (with a B&M business, nonetheless) to buy spam packages without understanding what they"re buying, and you"ve said nothing to change that.

Even ignoring any negative seo issues, do you think people with "real" businesses want its name all over the dregs of the internet? Do they want its name associated with obviously spammy text/posts/profiles? Do they really want to be internet spammers?
 

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I"ve been doing a LOT of reading as far as SEO goes and I"ve totally revamped the way the website works. Instead of having long pages of content, I"ve split everything up with an emphasis on click-through to keep the bounce rate low.

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I"ve also been considering changing our contract with the companies we work with to use their local address for my company"s local seo. Essentially, we would register their address under the umbrella of my company and get local listings in Google/Bing in every county we work in. We generate business for the companies in our network, so we"re not actually stealing business by doing this, but if they decide to ever leave the network, that could be weird.

Any thoughts?
 

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Just noticed that google has released a tool to let people disavow links to their site.
Disavow links - YouTube

Obviously you shouldn"t take anything he says at face value, and obviously, they"re using it to weight/blacklist link sources.

However, if negative SEO was actually impossible, there would be no need for anyone to use this tool.
 

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Tmac47 said:
I"ve been doing a LOT of reading as far as SEO goes and I"ve totally revamped the way the website works. Instead of having long pages of content, I"ve split everything up with an emphasis on click-through to keep the bounce rate low.

Any thoughts?
Is that the design after you shortened it? Because that"s areallylong home page.
 

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Lenas said:
Is that the design after you shortened it? Because that"s areallylong home page.
If you notice the cursor icons on the page you"ll see they"re pointing to Features > Overview. It"s not the homepage
 

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Also, that page hasn"t been SEO"d yet, so the content is nowhere near final. I"ve also done a lot of research over the past couple of days and have an industry professional writing up some articles for me. So, I should be gravy as far as content goes once we launch.

However, I"m still stuck on the whole link generation deal. Does anyone have experience in getting government sites to cooperate in backlinks? I have some connections in our state gov, but I"d rather not have to use them.
 

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splok said:
Maybe because the ROI on your time of doing 4000 gigs for $20k over the course of a year sounds pretty shitty if you"re someone who can actually rank something? I assume that anyone slinging fiverr gigs is someone who can"t make more by doing something else with his time.

That"s not a derogatory statement, even if it sounds like it though. I don"t doubt that they"re respectable providers of the services they offer, but someone isn"t an SEO guru just because he has an xrumer install. If someone wants that type of link and knows what they"re getting, then fantastic, everyone"s happy.

However, my original point was that it"s a bad idea to send someone who knows nothing about SEO (with a B&M business, nonetheless) to buy spam packages without understanding what they"re buying, and you"ve said nothing to change that.

Even ignoring any negative seo issues, do you think people with "real" businesses want its name all over the dregs of the internet? Do they want its name associated with obviously spammy text/posts/profiles? Do they really want to be internet spammers?
I don"t disagree with the fact that the services should be used wisely and researched before used.

I"ve used some gigs before and they"re script based. Once you have that in place, you drop in the 100 websites/facebook profiles etc and walk away. Someone who was a guru etc, still makes a large amount of money offering these services.

When I ordered services they would be done in groups of 100+ buyers. They always fired in less than 24 hours. That means whoever is behind it is getting $500 a day for that specific gig.

These people offer facebook likes, youtube likes, backlinks etc. You start offering 10 services and all of them are getting 50+ gigs a day. You start taking home thousands per day, for a script you"re running once a day. Yes you might have to dedicate 2-3 hours to do all the work. You have to be at a very high income level to turn down $800+ dollars an hour for your time.

Now you might be taking home 100k a year from your SEO business, or Fortune 500 company salary. Still 60k a month looks pretty damn nice.

Now not everyone does that kind of volume. But to say that the SEO Gurus wouldn"t do it is foolish. They have the most to gain as when something changes in one of their gigs, they can fix it and get it up again faster than the average Joe doing a gig.

If anything buy some $5 gigs and watch how they work, follow the bots on facebook etc. And you"ll see the MASSIVE amounts of work they"re getting.

That being said, I agree the gigs can definitely hurt a business too. But I cannot deny that it"s so lucrative that a SEO Guru wouldn"t "waste his time" making insane amounts of money.
 

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What do you guys think about people on Fiverr doing Google/Yelp reviews? I"ve been having problems getting reviews on each of them, and want to kickstart it a bit. It doesn"t seem like there would really be any negatives to it, but it does concern me having random people do anything that may impact my business.

And could there be any negative impacts from doing the Google Places backlink that Tyen linked?
 

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Disp said:
What do you guys think about people on Fiverr doing Google/Yelp reviews? I"ve been having problems getting reviews on each of them, and want to kickstart it a bit. It doesn"t seem like there would really be any negatives to it, but it does concern me having random people do anything that may impact my business.

And could there be any negative impacts from doing the Google Places backlink that Tyen linked?
I hate yelp, they"re scamming hardcore. Once you get a few reviews going on your business. You get called to invest in a groupon type deal. If you don"t take it, magically most of your good reviews get filtered. I"ve seen it happen within days. I"ve had my legit reviews of another business filtered out 6 days after the business received a call to advertise. All my other reviews of businesses were intact just fine.

The other downfall of yelp is that legit reviewers have to review lots of places to avoid the spam filter. I have legit customers who have left a review of my business but no one else get filtered into spam.

When you look into yelp you see its all a big scam and their filtering process is directly tied to whether you"re advertising with them or not.

On the fiverr front. I"d say you"ve got nothing to lose. I"m sure you could even submit what you want them to say on your review.
 

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Yeah I know how much of a shitbox Yelp is overall and have dealt with their sales reps several times. We"ve had a bunch of legitimate reviews filtered because the people didn"t have enough reviews. I"ve talked to a couple of our clients in other industries; a moving company, and business doing electrolysis, and they say Yelp is driving the majority of their business right now though.
 

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Interesting write up

Google has officially released the new Disavow Links Tools to webmasters around the world. It was first mentioned at SMX in July and Matt Cutts has now officially announced the tool at PubCon.

What Is Google Disavow?

Essentially you upload a list of backlinks and tell Google to ignore them when it is ranking your site.

Here is the official explanation-
?If you believe your site?s ranking is being harmed by low-quality links you do not control, you can ask Google not to take them into account when assessing your site.?
If you read that and think that is the holy grail solution to fix all of your current ranking issues ? stop right now and think about this properly.

Fixing A Problem Google Created

First of all the only reason we need the Disavow tool is solve a problem that Google created. Historically Google just used to ignore what the algorithm considered to be a low quality link. In fact in 2009 Google even went as far to say not to worry about low quality links.

Since then they have changed their mind on low quality links and instead of ignoring them like they used to, they now use them as negative votes against a sites ranking.

Negative SEO Is Born

This shift in the algorithm is what has allowed negative SEO to be so successful and easy to do. Negative SEO has caused Google a huge problem as they gave SEO?s the ability to destroy competitors businesses.

In less than 10 minutes and a few clicks of a mouse an experienced SEO can cause lasting wide reaching damage to practically any site they choose.

This is what led Google to create the Disavow tool.

Crowd Sourced Web Spam Team

Essentially the Google Disavow tool is nothing more than a glorified crowd sourcing project. Why try to identify low quality links via algorithmic signals when you can get an army of millions of webmasters around the world to do it for you?

And what better way to motivate that army than by telling them if they do all this work it will help them?

Why It Is Bad For SEO

This is nothing more than a bulk snitching tool dressed up as a solution to a problem it doesn?t actually solve. Google will be using the data it collects from this tool to clean up the web, discount bad links and hand out penalties left, right & centre.

The problem is there are so many SEO?s that don?t really know what they are doing. They are not really sure what is wrong or why they have being penalised. It?s these kind of webmasters that will flock to the Disavow tool in the thousands reporting every link they ever bought or built to Google even when it?s not a low quality link.

It could be they are facing an onsite penalty such as Panda or the recent low quality EMD update ? but they actually end up reporting a bunch of links that are actually helping them. Google will suddenly have huge volumes of data on what real people consider to be low quality links ? it would be naive to think they wouldn?t take action with that amount of data in hand.

A Real Example

Let?s say you used a link building service that delivered great results ? you diversified the anchor text well and saw positive movement in the SERPS, fantastic.

Another customer of that service did the same thing but didn?t diversify anchor text correctly and then got a Penguin based penalty. That customer will then go and report all of the links they got from the service provider as low quality links and to ignore them.

But you also have the same ?low quality? links pointing at your site?

See the problem here?

It?s also likely that they would report links they have built/ordered from other services during that period as well in an attempt to undo the damage putting even more webmasters at risk.

Grass En Masse

The data Google collects from this tool only serves to hurt SEO?s.





You might find some of your most valuable backlinks have being discounted because someone else has incorrectly reported them as low quality.

You only have to spend 5 minutes on DP to realise how scary giving other people that kind of power actually is. Didn?t Google learn anything from the negative SEO mess they created?

Does It Solve The Problem?

The whole point of the Disavow tool is to help protect against negative SEO attacks etc

But does it actually solve the problem?

No is the answer

Legitimate websites owners now have the added responsibility of monitoring and cleaning up their link profile ? something that used to be done at the algorithm level.

The Disavow tool won?t protect people against penalties ? most webmasters don?t anticipate a penalty and are only aware of problems when they are penalised. By that point it?s too late, the site has already tanked out of the rankings and the damage is done.

You then have to spend the next few months cleaning things up, often due to no fault of your own. So does the tool protect against negative SEO attacks? Not even a little bit ? all it does is help in cleaning up the aftermath of an attack.

Food For Thought

I can create millions of low quality link per day at the click of a button ? Do you think a webmaster with the Disavow tool could keep up with that volume?

I doubt it.

They would have to spend all day every day going through the links and by the time they?ve done that?. I?ve built a million more while I was asleep.

So what is the point?

Reading Between The Lines

What all of this actually tells me is that Google are having a hard time keeping up with modern day link spam. It has got to the point now where some link building tactics are so advanced that Google just cannot identify the spam via an algorithm anymore and need to crowd source the discovery and identification of link spam.

It?s ironic because Google put a lot of effort into fear mongering and claiming their algorithms are more sophisticated than they actually are. Then in the next breath they drop their pants & wave the white flag by releasing the Disavow tool.



Credit Where It Is Due

Google created this tool to solve a problem they created that they cannot solve algorithmically.

They clearly lack the ability to identify and discount ?low quality? links at the algorithm level so have dressed up the disavow tool in a way that enslaves an army of unknowing grasses.

Credit where it is due! That is a superb piece of marketing right there, there is one problem though?

The New Age of Negative SEO

What provides additional comical value is that you can use Disavow tool ? you know the one to protect against negative SEO attacks, to launch negative SEO attacks against your competitors. What happens if a site gets multiple reports against it via the Disavow tool? Does Google downgrade that sites authority? What?s stopping me from logging multiple complaints against the same site?

It wouldn?t be that difficult to do.

You could use trackback spam to get your link onto the competitor?s site and then report it as a low quality link.

Do that 100 times with 100 different webmaster tool accounts & sites and you?re laughing! Heck I could even automate the entire process end to end with a series of web 2.0 sites, Scrapebox and Webmaster Tools accounts.

Not that the Disavow tool even protects against the initial attack anyway, you can still take a site out with negative SEO just as easily now as you could before. Now we just have another tool in the negative SEO arsenal, thanks Google!

Welcome to the new age of Negative SEO.
 

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Oh and Yelp....

Yelp cracks down on businesses that pay for good reviews - latimes.com

On Thursday, warning signs began popping up when users tried to access the pages of some businesses with five-star ratings. To read on, users must click a button that says, "Show me the reviews."

"We caught someone red-handed trying to buy reviews for this business," the red-bordered alert box says. "We weren"t fooled, but wanted you to know because buying reviews not only hurts consumers, but also honest businesses who play by the rules. Check out the evidence here."

The alert will be removed after three months, Yelp said, unless there"s any indication the business continues to trawl for reviews. More alerts will be posted as the company continues its investigations.
 

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I"ll outline some places to start, that you can do yourselves.

The best source for SEO information isSEO Software. Simplified. | SEOmoz

SEO Web Directory List - Web, Social and Local Directories | SEOmoz
This directory list, both local and web would be a great place to start. Focus on the highest DA/MozRank"s first. Some directories won"t be applicable for your business, so you can skip those. Don"t do any of the paid features for local city directories, unless its the Yahoo Business Directory and Business.com one, and a few others for rush processing.

You might also visitODP - Open Directory Projectand submit your business there. It"s a free directory, but can be very challenging to get in to. They don"t provide support and guidance so you could be turned down and not even know it. It"s got the highest rating among all directories.

Other than what I"ve given you, stay away from directories. People spam them more than viagra online and Google is now penalizing the ones that aren"t credible. If anyone mentions the words "we will submit you to x directories," it should be an immediate red flag to walk away.