Woolygimp's Blog

Discussion in 'Retard Rickshaw' started by Woolygimp, Oct 24, 2016.

  1. Woolygimp Well-Known Member

    Woolygimp
    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,613
    Ratings:
    +312
    When machines put 75% of our labor force out of work, and we all start receiving basic income via stipends, then that doesn't that change us to a Socialist/Communist society?

    What will people start spending their time on? Increasingly entertaining games and media? Working to improve the environment? There will obviously still require people in the services industry, politics, and criminal justice system. Do they receive more money?

    The impact machines will have on our economy really interests me. Also, what's to prevent overconsumption (which is already taking place)? People buy a lot of shit they don't need and it's placing undo pressure on our natural resources. When machines take over, production can technically only be limited by resources so we could literally very quickly run out if consumption isn't controlled.

    Here's my post further down:

     
    #1 Woolygimp, Oct 24, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Blown Blown x 1
  2. Kiroy Marine Biologist DONOR

    Kiroy
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    5,963
    Ratings:
    +7,288
    Migration complete. Circle of life my friends.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  3. Picasso3 Mexican Impressionist DONOR

    Picasso3
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    6,702
    Ratings:
    +1,518
    With how well hillary is doing in the polls I'd say so
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. AngryGerbil hominus infidelus americanus DONOR

    AngryGerbil
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    7,782
    Ratings:
    +3,325
    Write your own postmodern dystopian fantasy, don't ask us to do it for you!
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Salty Salty x 1
  5. bralkan The old ways are still best DONOR

    bralkan
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    147
    Ratings:
    +131
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Kharzette Watcher of Overs DONOR

    Kharzette
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2016
    Messages:
    333
    Ratings:
    +48
    The Iain Banks future doesn't seem so bad. Live as long as you want, do whatever you want. Machines run everything important.

    Less social/commu and more ... Libertarian I guess? Not really sure what you'd call it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Kiroy Marine Biologist DONOR

    Kiroy
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    5,963
    Ratings:
    +7,288
    This conversation at our current technology level is retarded. The impact will be negligible over the next couple decades. Call me when we've cracked unlimited power, then we can talk post scarcity society.

    By the way, you might want to brush up on the difference and definitions of socialism, communism, and post scarcity. Your posts would make more sense and sound less infantile.

    You still my bro though.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Worf Worf x 1
  8. Tuco Well-Known Member

    Tuco
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    22,328
    Ratings:
    +4,784
    Not inevitable, but concepts like guaranteed wages become more tolerable. But, johnny handouts getting 30k usd a yewr doesnt mean the wealthy will give up the means of production.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Kuro Well-Known Member

    Kuro
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,950
    Ratings:
    +279
    Like I'm sharing my nanomachine cloud with you plebs.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Muurloen Well-Known Member

    Muurloen
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    2,758
    Ratings:
    +809
    IBR
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Solidarity Solidarity x 2
  11. Arbitrary Well-Known Member

    Arbitrary
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    7,506
    Ratings:
    +3,110


    Fairness is hard-coded into mammals. There's always going to be massive amounts of friction in a socialist system.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Gravel Well-Known Member

    Gravel
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    10,051
    Ratings:
    +3,446
    I believe that more than likely, we'll just end up doing other shit for work.

    Didn't they think the same thing was going to happen during the industrial revolution? The two time periods aren't completely compatible, but I just don't see enough revenue being taken in by the government to somehow float the majority of the population not doing anything.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. AngryGerbil hominus infidelus americanus DONOR

    AngryGerbil
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    7,782
    Ratings:
    +3,325
    Yep.

    Once plug n' play plants and warp drives are possible, the population will expand to fill the population potential and the work we do will be to contest each other over space and favor. We will always find ways to differentiate ourselves if only to satisfy the sexual imperative. Unless we are talking some ultra-totalitarian mega-government that controls every aspect of life including movement and sex. In which case my mega-great grandson will differentiate himself by destroying your unnatural and inhuman systematized totalitarian application of top-down group selection and free the animals trapped in your unholy hell of 'post-scarcity'.

    But I actually don't think I even believe in the entire concept of 'post-scarcity' so my mega-great grandson will probably just have to fight against regular old run-of-the-mill Commies, and not Ultra Space Commies.

    Besides, animals who are fed for free and have nothing to do can not be said to be healthy in my opinion.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. radditsu Well-Known Member

    radditsu
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2016
    Messages:
    4,676
    Ratings:
    +810
    We just have to be flexible when it comes to what we define as "successful" in our economy. More esoteric things like entertainment and arts and what education we deem useful will have to be defined in our culture to create opportunity for more diverse skill sets than "build thing".
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Nationalist Nationalist x 1
  15. Feanor Well-Known Member

    Feanor
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2016
    Messages:
    1,860
    Ratings:
    +2,263
    That's as far as I got.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  16. jihodj Vox Populi Jihadi DONOR

    jihodj
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    21,911
    Ratings:
    +3,601
    Amod, please fix this thread title to "Isn't" rather than "Aren't", and then please shaw this thread and the retard that made it as it is shit.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. consensus The Wizard DONOR

    consensus
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2016
    Messages:
    4,886
    Ratings:
    +5,227
    I predict wooly's age to be 18.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Solidarity Solidarity x 2
  18. Woolygimp Well-Known Member

    Woolygimp
    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,613
    Ratings:
    +312
    We already have examples of post-scarcity economies in history, idiots. Rome was a post-scarcity society. They handed out grain to all of the cities inhabitants, who were largely unemployed, and gave them free access to games that cost the state massive amounts of money. Bread and Circuses.

    All the land was owned by the elite, all the labor done by slaves and soldiers. They literally had nothing to do except eat, sleep, and fuck, which they did.

    Replace slaves and soldiers in that example with robots. Same thing. We'll have free food and media (to keep us entertained). In fact, there's a solution to the Fermi Paradox that states that once a society reaches a certain level, they stop expanding because they get far more enjoyment about of virtual reality. Basically, at a certain point anything they can do in real life can be -perfectly- replicated in a virtual environment, so there's no fucking point to actually living life.

    Think about it. You want to enlist in Starfleet for adventure/exploration? Why? They can create an even more adventurous Galaxy for you to explore, while you don't risk your life when your anti-matter/warp engine inexplicably explodes like it does in every episode. Think about whatever you dreamed you want to be. You could do it, without the risk of death.

    It actually makes sense as a solution to the Fermi Paradox. Why expand or conquer the Universe when you can literally do everything in virtual reality without having to die. The only reason to expand is redundancy, should your planet suffer a catastrophic disaster. But not enough to expand past a few solar systems.

    That's the future.
     
    #18 Woolygimp, Oct 25, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
  19. Scoresby Member

    Scoresby
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    95
    Ratings:
    +69
    I think their could be some truth to this. The interesting problem for me is how our financial systems are based around lending with the expectation of interest on return. Profit largely driven by volume of sales, which drives consumption (requiring raw materials and energy). Humanity also does a piss-poor job of population control; instinct to procreate is a mother-fucker. So I predict a much more catastrophic collapse before we reach some utopia where tech will do our jobs for us. Energy/raw material as well as food shortages will drive wars the likes we have not seen. We aren't smart enough to get there as a species!

    Like a less-extreme version of "The Mote in God's Eye".
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Titan_Atlas Well-Known Member DONOR

    Titan_Atlas
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,175
    Ratings:
    +826
    Yep. Nope.
     
    • Like Like x 1