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Service CAN be a product, not that in your example it is. Products are sold to consumers. Are you buying the Steam or Epic games stores? No. They aren't products, they are just game distribution services - as you already stated. Services are the intangibles: Customer service, billing, etc etc.

Your quote : If he said: "Cool? Let's just get forced into a shittier service and be happy about it. Just lol." I wouldn't have even replied.

Boohoo, I can't access my steam friends while playing Metro Exodus, cry some more please. Just like Dom, you twist and turn context & definitions to suit your narrative. Where did I ever argue that Service isn't a type of product?

Since the Dictionary didn't work, maybe Wikipedia will help: Product (business) - Wikipedia Keep bringing up every definition of Product that isn't relevant to the original discussion. The number of hoops you go through to try and be right is truly amazing. Since you were so courteous last...

This doesn't really prove or disprove what i'm saying, just that it's part of which makes the product. Yes, the sources/ingredients/materials contribute to the product... Isn't that kinda obvious? Edit: And yea, I guess my question lead to your answer but I was more just adding hyperbole there...

holy fucking shit, lets break out the dictionary: Dictionary by Merriam-Webster: America's most-trusted online dictionary product noun prod·uct | \ ˈprä-(ˌ)dəkt \ Definition of product 1: the number or expression resulting from the multiplication together of two or more numbers or expressions...

The mental gymnastics you are using here to try and make "store" = "product" is astounding. How can you be this stupid.

Do you consider big box stores "products" ? When I go to Walmart I'm not claiming the building and aisles to be products. Is Amazon a product? Amazon even has comment sections! Billing Infrastructure is a product? When I use my Visa that's a product? Jesus christ.

Stores aren't products. STFU with this crap. The GAME is the product.

I missed it, but looks awesome. Apparently that was his live voice, not pre-recorded, so that's pretty amazing. There's an encore at 2AM (1 hr from now) but Im going to bed, lol. I don't think the encore is going to be live again, just a repeat of this one.

Thanks bro

You make up terms like "artificial exclusivity". Nothing you say makes any sense and you contradict yourself constantly

Wait... did you just move the goalposts? Now exclusivity is only bad if devs decide to change their minds on how to release? So exclusivity isn't really bad in a vacuum, you just hate the exodus devs,.... got it

Another game you guys can boycott: Dauntless is joining the Epic Games Store | PC Gamer

What fanboyism ? Are you dense? I've been PC gaming since the 80s. What exactly was saved? You telling me there wouldn't be PC games without Valve? Are you high? Valve created a marketplace that allowed indie devs to get products off the ground easier by bypassing the big distribution chains /...

Valve is not To Big To Fail and is not a savior of PC gaming. They created a market that helped a lot of under-funded projects and a ton of content came to market because of them, but they also facilitated flooding and diluting of the market to such an extent that now the paradigm is to push...

How would it be a monopoly if devs choose to enter into the exclusivity contract? If they don't like it they could try going it alone, or another store. Valve can't force devs to sell on the platform, no matter how large they are. And then valve loses out on the Triple A titles that wouldn't...

It's laughable you think exclusivity is anti consumer Valve could have demanded exclusivity and I doubt much would be different. And I wouldn't hate them for it either.

Exclusivity is a cornerstone of the free market. Why are patents a thing? It's a model designed to spark innovation. There is a huge debate wether exclusivity is anti consumer or not.

I'd consider myself more a Riot fanboy honestly. And valve pisses me off because I hate all their current games and i just want a TF3 or something

All I pray for are tons more exclusives so I can watch you cry more

If you count the free monthly game, then yea? Epic gives a lot away, mostly to game devs, for obvious reasons: they want games made on their engine to rake in that % cut. Everything I've seen has them doing right in my book. They have not shown to be a money grubbing corporation (yet). Look at...

You aren't loyal to steam yet you keep talking about their client. Who gives a shit about these store clients? I want 0 client. I just want to play the games. And newsflash, Epic has been in this Industry longer than Valve. You anti-Epic people are letting the FortNite hate get to you. I love...

Never said it was. Dom (1 post before mine) literally was complaining about not being able to support his preferred store. I strongly disagree that Exclusivity is anti-consumer.

Stores are there to facilitate sales of products. If the store doesn't exist, the product will be sold elsewhere. I careless about the stores and more about supporting the actual games & game devs. Only valid point I've seen so far is regarding the software they install. The software could...

Supporting "stores" is the most absurd thing.

2 week exclusive is worse than perma-exclusive? lol. Sounds terrible

Gotcha, so if they don't have enough capital to setup the infrastructure to sell it themselves, they better not try to make the best deal they can. makes complete sense! I am just baffled by Steam loyalty tbh. If the game is good and sold at a decent price, who cares? I can understand if a...

This is the part that makes no sense to me. TONS of games/apps these days are only purchasable via 1 store. Google vs Apple. Blizzard games only via Blizzard DoTA2 only on Steam LoL only through Riot Epic games only via Epic Plenty of examples beyond games too. Netflix, Amazon Prime video...

If Epic wins Exclusives + the game is sold for same or More than it would elsewhere, clearly it deserves an F-U. But in this case the publisher is making more AND they are passing on some savings to the consumer. The competition is that now Steam needs to up their game so that these devs...

Give me $10 bucks and sure.

It's still competition, why are your panties in a wad over this?

Before reset I was Gold 3, Won 1st promo and was silver 3. Currently 6-1 and silver 1 with 50lp. Looks like I'll stay silver 1 even if a win for last promo game. I'm curious if you're supposed to be 1 tier lower now with the removal of division 5 or if adding iron means you'll be...

Troll? Battle royale mode is a free game. If you don't know what a battle royale is by now then idk what to tell you. Nobody really talks about the pve game, but there is one for only a box price

I can't agree with this, you are just mad at Ranked which isn't unique to LoL. Every ranked system that puts strangers together fails in this regard. The steamroll part is a lot less true now than ever before due to the increased bounties. But steamrolling is part of the game so not entirely...

Ya, here we've talked about it: Riot Games MMO

She's hot af I look forward to the chunky cosplays

The Riven in this cinematic looks like the classic skin, just without the huge gauntlet. All the champions seem to use their original/classic skins. I like it. New Splash might be a better match to the Cinematic:

According to Google statistics, Riot was making ~1.6Billion in 2015. (Apparently they've made 700Million less in 2018 than 2017). And Blizzard has made at least $1 billion/yr during peak WoW years. (est $880 Million in NA/Europe + whatever from other regions).

If they could make an MMO that rivals or surpasses WoW it would certainly be worth it. Which is totally possible due to their matured IP. But if it flops then yea.. big waste. Seems like there's an opening in the market to try, though.