2021-2022 NFL Season: Deshaun Watson will die a Texan!

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Is Urban Meyer a bad coach?
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He's not the first college coach who couldn't cut it in the NFL and he likely won't be the last. NFL players aren't kids (despite many of them having the intelligence and emotional maturity of children) and the support/coaching staff of an NFL franchise isn't a bunch of entry level nobodies like they are for a college football team.
 
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When I read something about him kicking the kicker in a preseason practice yesterday I figured if there was truth to it he was gone. What a shit show he put on.
 
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Hard to imagine even a college wanting him, at least for awhile now.
 
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What is with head coaches of pro leagues turning into strange, rugged looking depression monsters? Look at Greg Popovich's face, then look at Rick Carlisles face (recent) and then Urban Mayers current face. They all have this similar grotesque, brooding visage. Its usually long tenured coaches too, like Belichick, Bill Cowher, the old Jaguars coach Coughlin, the list goes on and on.
 
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What is with head coaches of pro leagues turning into strange, rugged looking depression monsters? Look at Greg Popovich's face, then look at Rick Carlisles face (recent) and then Urban Mayers current face. They all have this similar grotesque, brooding visage. Its usually long tenured coaches too, like Belichick, Bill Cowher, the old Jaguars coach Coughlin, the list goes on and on.
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Babysitting entitled, juiced up, divas with the IQ of a lobster and the common sense of a mango is probably pretty tiring shit.
 
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Didn't Harbaugh have an issue riding NFL players hard in San Francisco because the players cried about having to work hard?
 
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Didn't Harbaugh have an issue riding NFL players hard in San Francisco because the players cried about having to work hard?
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Jim Harbaugh was wildly successful during his brief tenure as an NFL coach. The Niners had 9 straight losing seasons before Harbaugh, then he immediately took them to a conference championship, the Super Bowl, and another conference championship.

Supposedly it was conflicts with the guy currently helping ruin the Jags (Baalke) that led to Harbaugh and the Niners parting ways, although maybe some of our resident Niners fans can shed more light on what actually went down.
 
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Jim Harbaugh was wildly successful during his brief tenure as an NFL coach. The Niners had 9 straight losing seasons before Harbaugh, then he immediately took them to a conference championship, the Super Bowl, and another conference championship.

Supposedly it was conflicts with the guy currently helping ruin the Jags (Baalke) that led to Harbaugh and the Niners parting ways, although maybe some of our resident Niners fans can shed more light on what actually went down.
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I remember that, I thought maybe that may be the issue here with players not liking his philosophy.
 
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I remember that, I thought maybe that may be the issue here with players not liking his philosophy.
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I imagine even people as stupid as the average NFL player will tolerate a lot when it leads to success. When it leads to a 2-11 record, not so much.
 
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Gavinmad said:
Jim Harbaugh was wildly successful during his brief tenure as an NFL coach. The Niners had 9 straight losing seasons before Harbaugh, then he immediately took them to a conference championship, the Super Bowl, and another conference championship.

Supposedly it was conflicts with the guy currently helping ruin the Jags (Baalke) that led to Harbaugh and the Niners parting ways, although maybe some of our resident Niners fans can shed more light on what actually went down.
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Its amazing how guys like him, Jeff Fisher, Brian Schottenheimer etc keep getting passed around the league.
 
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Jozu said:
What is with head coaches of pro leagues turning into strange, rugged looking depression monsters? Look at Greg Popovich's face, then look at Rick Carlisles face (recent) and then Urban Mayers current face. They all have this similar grotesque, brooding visage. Its usually long tenured coaches too, like Belichick, Bill Cowher, the old Jaguars coach Coughlin, the list goes on and on.
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working 100 hour weeks under high stress, while being middle aged or older is probably not the healthiest thing to be doing.
 
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Gavinmad said:
Jim Harbaugh was wildly successful during his brief tenure as an NFL coach. The Niners had 9 straight losing seasons before Harbaugh, then he immediately took them to a conference championship, the Super Bowl, and another conference championship.

Supposedly it was conflicts with the guy currently helping ruin the Jags (Baalke) that led to Harbaugh and the Niners parting ways, although maybe some of our resident Niners fans can shed more light on what actually went down.
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We will never get the whole story I am sure, but the rumors were that yes he clearly clashed with Baalke, but that he also openly shit talked Jed York. Couple that with talk that he was even starting to wear on the players with his rough around the edges personality, and it was clear that he may not be made for the NFL.

One of the stories that circulated quite a bit about Jed York was that York came into a meeting, and Harbaugh said "This meeting is for men only" or something along those lines.

Clearly he did some things right, as you point out he turned them around pretty quick with much the same roster. I just don't know if his personality allows for him to be in one place for an extended period of time. Which is what makes college great for him since players are only with him for a max of 5 years.
 
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"Who's got it better than us??! NOOBODDDAAAAYYYY" Harbaugh era was fun and exciting for a while. Who knows what could have happened if Kyle Fucking Williams doesnt muff not one...but TWO punts in the 4th quarter and OT of a NFL Conference Championship game. Alex Smith might have won a super bowl, or Tom Brady would have 8 titles. Either way back to back Super Bowl appearences in your first two years and another conf championship birth after that certainly changes the narrative a bit and possibly could of lead to things ending up different, like no Kaepernick rise and subsequent collapse. (maybe no Crabtree sorry reciever and the Niners go to and lose 3 straight super bowls lol)
 
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Gavinmad said:
Jim Harbaugh was wildly successful during his brief tenure as an NFL coach. The Niners had 9 straight losing seasons before Harbaugh, then he immediately took them to a conference championship, the Super Bowl, and another conference championship.

Supposedly it was conflicts with the guy currently helping ruin the Jags (Baalke) that led to Harbaugh and the Niners parting ways, although maybe some of our resident Niners fans can shed more light on what actually went down.
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Alex Boone (former guard for the 49ers) actually talked about it at one point in some documentary or something. Said Harbaugh was grating as fuck, because he tried having the "4 year cycle", "churn and burn" mentality with NFL players as well and it got on a lot of players' nerves.

EDIT: Found the quote from Boone but can't find the video clip..

"He does a great job of giving you that spark, that initial boom," Boone said, via NBC Sports. "But after a while, you just want to kick his ass. ... He just keeps pushing you, and you're like, 'Dude, we got over the mountain. Stop. Let go.' He kind of wore out his welcome."

Kremer asked Boone to clarify his comments.

"I think he just pushed guys too far," the former Ohio State player said. " He wanted too much, demanded too much, expected too much. You know, 'We gotta go out and do this. We gotta go out and do this. We gotta go out and do this.' And you'd be like, 'This guy might be clinically insane. He's crazy.' ... I think that if you're stuck in your ways enough, eventually people are just going to say, 'Listen, we just can't work with this.'"
 
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Alex Boone (former guard for the 49ers) actually talked about it at one point in some documentary or something. Said Harbaugh was grating as fuck, because he tried having the "4 year cycle", "churn and burn" mentality with NFL players as well and it got on a lot of players' nerves.

EDIT: Found the quote from Boone but can't find the video clip..

"He does a great job of giving you that spark, that initial boom," Boone said, via NBC Sports. "But after a while, you just want to kick his ass. ... He just keeps pushing you, and you're like, 'Dude, we got over the mountain. Stop. Let go.' He kind of wore out his welcome."

Kremer asked Boone to clarify his comments.

"I think he just pushed guys too far," the former Ohio State player said. " He wanted too much, demanded too much, expected too much. You know, 'We gotta go out and do this. We gotta go out and do this. We gotta go out and do this.' And you'd be like, 'This guy might be clinically insane. He's crazy.' ... I think that if you're stuck in your ways enough, eventually people are just going to say, 'Listen, we just can't work with this.'"
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So the same problem of trying to coach NFL players the way he coached college players, except for whatever reason he was wildly successful instead of crashing an burning.
 
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