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Who were 4 all stars on warriors, trying to remember. There’s Steph and KD think that was it? Klay had some all star years but was always inconsistent as fuck. And no idea who fourth would be. Draymond? Mister triple single?
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Klay was incredibly consistent for a solid seven year stretch and he was excellent on both sides of the ball. You have no idea what you're talking about.

And Draymond... I guess you don't think defense matters?
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People always undermine how good of a passer Green is too. He's always been the second most important player on the Warriors.
 
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Anyone arguing that some of the less physical players in today's NBA would have been fine in the 80s and 90s needs to Google "The Jordan Rules" and watch some of those highlights of the Bad Boy pistons vs Jordan.

That shit would get a game forfeited in the modern NBA and likely a coach suspended and owner/franchise fined.
 
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Anyone arguing that some of the less physical players in today's NBA would have been fine in the 80s and 90s needs to Google "The Jordan Rules" and watch some of those highlights of the Bad Boy pistons vs Jordan.

That shit would get a game forfeited in the modern NBA and likely a coach suspended and owner/franchise fined.
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But stefanie curry shoots da 3!
 
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Alex

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1987 said:
Anyone arguing that some of the less physical players in today's NBA would have been fine in the 80s and 90s needs to Google "The Jordan Rules" and watch some of those highlights of the Bad Boy pistons vs Jordan.

That shit would get a game forfeited in the modern NBA and likely a coach suspended and owner/franchise fined.
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They'd adapt. Also go back and watch those games. The defense was just...bad sometimes. Like letting dudes just drive to the basket.

You are the product of your era. An elite and skilled athlete will compete against other elite and skilled athletes.
 
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You are the product of your era. An elite and skilled athlete will compete against other elite and skilled athletes.
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I agree mostly. But the degree to the ability endure and play through a ton of physical pain isn't something that every athlete has. In the modern ERA we all saw Kobe roll an ankle to the point it look like it broke, tape that shit up, and keep playing (or rondos dislocated elbow against the Heat). But we've also all seen Anthony Davis get pulled off the court in a fuckin wheelchair after getting touched

This era doesn't translate to the last. Durability and fortitude are far less valuable in today's NBA because they don't need to be. I'm not saying none of them could make it. Maybe Steph would rise to the challenge.

But the physicality of the game in the 80/90s was far different. Not just the rules changes (hand-checking) but the retaliatory fouls they allowed (rambis/McHale) were vastly different. You could have been incredible with a tough mentality, but if your body couldn't handle being thrown into the floor multiple times per game, you weren't gonna be an all-star (certainly not with longevity)
 
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Your argument is just as debatable. You ignore the James Hardens of that period but let me remind you. The Whiteboard: Are the NBA’s new foul rules hurting James Harden? . It looks like the NBA had to shut down that type of play which was popular. It seems like the 3 point onslaught started with Mike D'Antoni though.

What was "the Warriors style?" Play 4 All Stars against 2-3 and abuse that advantage to ensure someone couldn't be defended? That sounds like the Lebron style but with just another All Star added. Nothing special about that honestly.

Out of the top 20 teams who have attempted the most 3 pointers, 4 of them were Warriors teams and they were the last 4 years played. None of them were the "ball movement, 3-point style of the 2010s" that you suggest. Three of them were the last 3 years of Celtics teams. Four of them were the 2016-2020 Rockets though. In fact, the Rockets are the only teams in the top 20 from before the 2021 season.

So, the most factual answer is that no one could afford to keep the 4 All Star solution of the Warriors, so they just imitated D'Antoni's teams and copied the system abuse he discovered.
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Fair point that teams have gone about attempting more 3-pointers in different ways, not fair to say the Warriors style was "based around 4 all-stars." The year they won their first title they had TWO all stars, Steph and Klay. The next season they had three, adding Draymond, because when you start 24-0 you probably deserve to have three all stars. All home grown, taken with #7, #11, #35 draft picks. Hardly your typical superteam, eat it.

Those first two successful Warriors seasons changed the way the league looked at the volume 3-pointers more than anything imo. D'Antoni's style had some impact, who by the way built on the style of previous coaches like Don Nelson as well. The Warriors were the first team to win a title with a 3-point focused offense without what you would think of as the prototypical post or mid-range threats that most titles were built around. When D'Antoni was with the Suns the popular thing to do was question whether that style could win a title. Nobody was trying to emulate his offenses because that was the narrative.
 
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Pharazon2 said:
Fair point that teams have gone about attempting more 3-pointers in different ways, not fair to say the Warriors style was "based around 4 all-stars." The year they won their first title they had TWO all stars, Steph and Klay. The next season they had three, adding Draymond, because when you start 24-0 you probably deserve to have three all stars. All home grown, taken with #7, #11, #35 draft picks. Hardly your typical superteam, eat it.

Those first two successful Warriors seasons changed the way the league looked at the volume 3-pointers more than anything imo. D'Antoni's style had some impact, who by the way built on the style of previous coaches like Don Nelson as well. The Warriors were the first team to win a title with a 3-point focused offense without what you would think of as the prototypical post or mid-range threats that most titles were built around. When D'Antoni was with the Suns the popular thing to do was question whether that style could win a title. Nobody was trying to emulate his offenses because that was the narrative.
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It was hardly a typical superteam because no one drafts that well. C'mon, let's have some honesty here. And they picked up Durant specifically to ensure they no longer lost like they did to the Cavs. It was specifically built to ensure they won, which is what a GM is supposed to do. A 4 superstar team specifically designed to ensure Durant couldn't be covered because he's a weak man and to give more space to the shooters. I don't know why Warriors fans have such a hard time with being honest about this.

Anyway, the 2014-15 Cavs shot more 3s than the 2014-15 Warriors and also went to the finals. Are you sure this is the narrative you want to sell? Now, the next year the Warriors did shoot more 3s....and lost to the Cavs. The next year you played superteam as more teams followed the D'Antoni cheat code and it all went downhill from there. Even if the superstar teams of the Cavs and Warriors still won with talent, those superteams still used the 3 to devasting effect and other teams noticed. Maybe we can't draft and buy a superteam, but we sure can abuse the D'Antoni 3 point advantage.
 
Alex

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But it is a copy cat league. And if you think Curry's Warriors haven't had an influence on how teams in the past decade have tried to build their teams then you haven't really been paying attention. Only Giannis and Jokic are the exception center pieces to that format. This Rockets team is different too because their identity is more defense than anything else. But the pace and space three proliferation in the NBA "these days" was because of the Curry-Kerr Warriors. It's why a million "pundits" say he ruined basketball because you go to your local gym and you just see kids heave threes now.
 
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