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That's it, they can't get away from the Skywalker Saga time period, events and characters. They just need to move on to something new.

This show has no stakes, it's happening between the originals and the sequels. We know the state of the universe at the beginning of The Force Awakens. Whatever they do in this show or movie set between the originals and the sequels is limited by how the universe is at the beginning of TFA.

Whatever the ultimate goal of Thrawn is, we know that there will be a First Order. He will reestablish the Empire because it doesn't exist in TFA.

So seriously fuck that era, and just move on 200+ years into the future, or go so far back in time like The Old Republic that the current events don't matter because so much time has passed.

I just want them to unfuck my Star Wars and give me good stories. :)
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I'm not gonna watch this, but it really piqued my interest to hear they were finally doing something with Thrawn.

The problem is what you say here: The sequel trilogy fucks everything up. Any post-Return of the Jedi material now has very little actual gravitas because we already know how things are gonna be in a few years due to Ep7-9.

The sequel trilogy was such a mess that 8 turned me off of Star Wars entirely and 9 ensured I'm unlikely to give it another shot. Even sold my boxset of movies 1-6 because they were so damaged retroactively by 8/9.

Thrawn should have been the Big Bad of the sequel trilogy and it should have followed this current plot thread that they're on of him reviving the Empire. Would have achieved the same general premise as Ep7-9 except it would have actually made sense and been interesting / had stakes. I was shocked when they didn't use Thrawn back then and instead introduced some Snoke guy (and then killed him off halfway through the trilogy). They introduce him now in a mid-quel and it's too little too late.

The Thanos of the Star Wars universe, basically wasted.
 
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Rajaah said:
I'm not gonna watch this, but it really piqued my interest to hear they were finally doing something with Thrawn.

The problem is what you say here: The sequel trilogy fucks everything up. Any post-Return of the Jedi material now has very little actual gravitas because we already know how things are gonna be in a few years due to Ep7-9.

The sequel trilogy was such a mess that 8 turned me off of Star Wars entirely and 9 ensured I'm unlikely to give it another shot. Even sold my boxset of movies 1-6 because they were so damaged retroactively by 8/9.

Thrawn should have been the Big Bad of the sequel trilogy and it should have followed this current plot thread that they're on of him reviving the Empire. Would have achieved the same general premise as Ep7-9 except it would have actually made sense and been interesting / had stakes. I was shocked when they didn't use Thrawn back then and instead introduced some Snoke guy (and then killed him off halfway through the trilogy). They introduce him now in a mid-quel and it's too little too late.

The Thanos of the Star Wars universe, basically wasted.
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Yeah but to do an arc like that in Episode 8 bad guys would need to win.

There's limits to what kind of stories they can tell. They can't give Thrawn any wins. Marvel did a decent to great job at times with credible bad guys. Star Wars has had nothing comparatively. The problem is with Lucas Film, for ex. creators like JJ Abrams having their script rejected 10-15 times until they let the Soy Group write the movie. JJ was slated to do the entire sequel arc before he pulled out.

You can't get to Empire Strikes Back with Thrawn because of the way that particular studio is managed. While Marvel was also micromanaged by committee-- they had a better committee. Lucas Film will never tell a story with any stakes and people just need to accept that's on brand for Disney Star Wars.
 
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You can't get to Empire Strikes Back with Thrawn because of the way that particular studio is managed. While Marvel was also micromanaged by committee-- they had a better committee. Lucas Film will never tell a story with any stakes and people just need to accept that's on brand for Disney Star Wars.
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Yes they did.

Rogue One was an excellent example of how to show that the stakes are real. The good guys died. Now it was known that many of those involved with getting those plans had died, but as a viewer you did not truly understand that until you watched them die. There was always this thought that the main characters would be the ones who got away, despite everyone else dying. That was not the case and it made for a pleasant and more realistic ending that put that movie above many of the others in quality.

So it could be done....

 
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Mahes said:
Yes they did.

Rogue One was an excellent example of how to show that the stakes are real. The good guys died. Now it was known that many of those involved with getting those plans had died, but as a viewer you did not truly understand that until you watched them die. There was always this thought that the main characters would be the ones who got away, despite everyone else dying. That was not the case and it made for a pleasant and more realistic ending that put that movie above many of the others in quality.

So it could be done....
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Exceptions don't make the rule though. It's known that Rogue One had a firebrand director and went through a tumultuous amount of drama behind the scenes. With Gareth Edwards as director being removed from the project quietly. A specialist in Tony Gilroy was brought in to salvage the movie in an emergency. "it can be done" and yet Rogue One remains an anomaly.

www.theguardian.com

Will we ever get to see Gareth Edwards’ cut of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story?

Rumours that the director was replaced by Tony Gilroy are rife online. Despite the film-maker finally starting to push back on the hearsay, it seems we may never know what happened
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Disney/Lucas Film had described Rogue One as catastrophic. Gilroy agrees. See his podcast appearances.

The general consensus was that Edwards generally disappointed Lucasfilm so badly that they felt the need for major reshoots
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Rogue One was a shocking disappointment to Lucas Film.
 
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What is really sad is despite all of the trouble that movie had, they learned nothing from it. That movie for me is the 3rd best movie ever made in the Star Wars Universe. I imagine it ranks pretty high with many Star Wars fans. All that trouble to get the movie out and it comes out as being a damn near Master Piece in the Star Wars universe.

So the formula is to start making a movie, let it get way over budget with mass confusion, and then bring in somebody else who gets to do it their way without all of the bullshit.

Make it so..
 
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It is also funny that it is considers high quality given all the stupid stuff that is in it. Such as the blind stick guy beating up storm troopers. There’s some eye rolling bad stuff but as a whole it is still more interesting and unique than anything else they’re farting out.

I think it shows viewers and fans can overlook and forgive shortcomings so long as there’s quality there. In other words, we aren’t just hate watching and getting off in coming here to complain.
 
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The meme is (was) you missed the start of every movie when you caught it on a TV channel, so you started in the 2nd act when the plot picked up and then rolled into the 3rd act which was the big Star wars battle for Rogue One. People remember that fondly and gloss over the intro planet hopping.
 
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So the formula is to start making a movie, let it get way over budget with mass confusion, and then bring in somebody else who gets to do it their way without all of the bullshit.

Make it so..
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Well, they applied that to Solo and look what we got.

Even Woody Harrelson couldn't salvage that turd of a movie.
 
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AFAIK they got introduced in the Rebels cartoon. Like the Ashoka show mentions, they're basically space lifeforms that migrate and have the ability to travel via hyperspace

In the finale of the Rebels cartoon, Ezra was able to communicate with them using the force and got them to basically grab Thrawn's star destroyer and transport it away to save the Rebel Alliance.
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They were actually introduced in a book a long time ago. Can't remember if it was the Adventures of Han Solo, or the Adventures of Lando Calrissian. Of course, those books are no longer canon, so rebels definitely reintroduced them into canon.
 
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He does not trust Jedi. He makes it perfectly clear he didn't trust Baylon and was perfectly fine abandoning them. Thrawn is weird in that he cares specifically about his men, but will use and dispose of others without a second thought. Which is why the Nightsisters Mothers gave him some side eye when he blew up their temple and sacrificed Morgan. In the same vein, the Nightsisters will give fuck all about Thrawn once they are settled back on Dathomir. The Empire wiped out the Nightsisters like they did Mandalore.
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I don't think you understand Thrawn and Jedi. He has great respect for force users in general, and Anakin in particular. His species uses force users to navigate hyperspace. They had never figured out the technology that the old republic (etc) uses. So he's got a lifelong exposure to force users. Anakin rescued him when he was in exile and they worked on a case together, then he got him an audience with the emporer.

In the original non canon Thrawn books, he used a cloned jedi master (Jorrus C'Boath) to control his cloned troops with a battlemeld and that's how he was so ruthlessly efficient. It looks like he's going to do the same sort of thing with the night sisters and those corpses.

Why would he trust baylan? He had just met the guy. They exchanged 5 words, how much is he supposed to care about him after that?
 
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even Lando was terrified that Han was going to shoot him by accident on the pleasure barge. Ezra was like, i know you just got your first dose of the force and havent been trained to control it and develop the power, i'm just going to jump over this chasm and expect you to lift me up like no big deal. what an amazing show.
 
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Why would he trust baylan? He had just met the guy. They exchanged 5 words, how much is he supposed to care about him after that?
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Baylan and Shin are basically introduced to him as mercenaries as well. Most people would have little trust in people who fight for money whose motivations are pretty much a mystery.
 
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