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The Ant People legend of the Hopi Native Americans and connections to the Anunnaki - The Ancient Code

YouTube Video Here: https://www.youtube.com/embed/LprarIdJGsw?start=78&feature=oembed
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Hopi / Sumerian connection
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Recent paper on pictish genetics:

In summary, they still don't know a damn thing. Just not enough bodies to study up there I guess.

The Scythian origin story is cool. They arrived via ship from the steppe, coming through the black sea -> the med -> Gibraltar and up the coast. It was all men so they stopped in Ireland and the irish gave them wives, but insisted on inheritance from the female side for the kings.

Scythians were intensely patriarichal, so not sure how or if they convinced them to stick to that idea. They think the wives may have returned to ireland for burial as well, further muddying the genetic waters and ability to study graves of elites.

My guess is the wives were considered elves, which is a big boost to a king's royalty score. I suspect some of the elves in the scandi kings lists were just irish women.

Edit: Can you imagine Scythians without horses? Also if you think about the path of the journey, it would make more sense that they paid for passage north. Maybe they were an exiled tribe running from justice. They could have easily paid the Phoenicians for passage in gold as the Scythians were loaded with the stuff and the purple people were sailing often to the british isles for tin.
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There is a lot of strange things when it comes to studying the genetic history of the British Isles. Suffice to say, those who first roamed the lands after the retreat of the Ice Sheet no longer have any genetic legacy there, and, it seems that the population has been either entirely or mostly (i.e. men killed but women bred with) replaced at least five times since then. I recommend this article, and even his entire substack, as he likes to delve deeply into modern genetic studies.

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Oldest Suspected Wooden Structure Predates Modern Humans

Unearthed in Zambia, the 476,000-year-old timber construction redefines our sense of early hominin ingenuity and craftsmanship.
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Archaeologists investigating cut logs and other wooden tools at a site near Zambia’s Kalambo Falls have found the settlement to be far more ancient than previously thought: the logs date back to nearly half a million years ago, before our species (Homo sapiens) appeared on Earth.


Though some tools are less than 400,000 years old, the oldest part of the site—comprising two logs, joined at an angle with a cut notch—date to 476,000 years ago, give or take 23,000 years. The four wooden tools found at the site are a notched branch, a cut log, a digging stick, and a wedge, according to the team; the description of the finds was published today in Nature.

“Forget the label ‘Stone Age,’ look at what these people were doing: they made something new, and large, from wood,” said Larry Barham, an archaeologist at the University of Liverpool and lead author of the study, in a university release. “They used their intelligence, imagination, and skills to create something they’d never seen before, something that had never previously existed.”
 
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Chukzombi said:
gizmodo.com

Oldest Suspected Wooden Structure Predates Modern Humans

Unearthed in Zambia, the 476,000-year-old timber construction redefines our sense of early hominin ingenuity and craftsmanship.
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com
Archaeologists investigating cut logs and other wooden tools at a site near Zambia’s Kalambo Falls have found the settlement to be far more ancient than previously thought: the logs date back to nearly half a million years ago, before our species (Homo sapiens) appeared on Earth.


Though some tools are less than 400,000 years old, the oldest part of the site—comprising two logs, joined at an angle with a cut notch—date to 476,000 years ago, give or take 23,000 years. The four wooden tools found at the site are a notched branch, a cut log, a digging stick, and a wedge, according to the team; the description of the finds was published today in Nature.

“Forget the label ‘Stone Age,’ look at what these people were doing: they made something new, and large, from wood,” said Larry Barham, an archaeologist at the University of Liverpool and lead author of the study, in a university release. “They used their intelligence, imagination, and skills to create something they’d never seen before, something that had never previously existed.”
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Not trying to start a fight, but I find this kind of "archaeology" exactly as convincing as tarot readings.

I buy parts of it, e.g. the carbon dating. Its the speculation that "hey this random ass rock or log looks like X" that I find laughable.

Its literally people looking at cloud formations, saying that one looks like a dog, then publishing "studies" about "Scientists prove that aerial dogs exist"

I'm not even skeptical about the conclusions. Just the speculative bullshit they use to get there and pretend its science.
 
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Not trying to start a fight, but I find this kind of "archaeology" exactly as convincing as tarot readings.

I buy parts of it, e.g. the carbon dating. Its the speculation that "hey this random ass rock or log looks like X" that I find laughable.

Its literally people looking at cloud formations, saying that one looks like a dog, then publishing "studies" about "Scientists prove that aerial dogs exist"

I'm not even skeptical about the conclusions. Just the speculative bullshit they use to get there and pretend its science.
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this is how archeology works. find a nugget of something. make a claim and then if you find more nuggets you use that to substantiate the first claim. then as more nuggets come in , your first claim becomes "fact".

continuing my thought

after the claim becomes established as fact, its next to impossible to disprove it. lets use the ruins of ancient Egypt as an example. you want to establish who built those ancient structures, when and why. you find a bunch of graffiti on the structure, or some crudely engraved hieroglyphics. that must mean the pharaoh's name in the graffiti was the one who commissioned the structure. it also gives the date. because since it must have been him. and we know he ruled during x time. this structure is clearly x years old. and the why doesnt matter because everything is classified a religious site because we have established that people at that time were hunter gatherers and such structures were never meant to be lived in. its all very fucking lazy.
 
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this is how archeology works. find a nugget of something. make a claim and then if you find more nuggets you use that to substantiate the first claim. then as more nuggets come in , your first claim becomes "fact".

continuing my thought

after the claim becomes established as fact, its next to impossible to disprove it. lets use the ruins of ancient Egypt as an example. you want to establish who built those ancient structures, when and why. you find a bunch of graffiti on the structure, or some crudely engraved hieroglyphics. that must mean the pharaoh's name in the graffiti was the one who commissioned the structure. it also gives the date. because since it must have been him. and we know he ruled during x time. this structure is clearly x years old. and the why doesnt matter because everything is classified a religious site because we have established that people at that time were hunter gatherers and such structures were never meant to be lived in. its all very fucking lazy.
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No that's not how "archaeology" works.

But that's how people who get all their info from amateur YouTube videos and Expedition Unknown reruns think archaeology works
 
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Not trying to start a fight, but I find this kind of "archaeology" exactly as convincing as tarot readings.

I buy parts of it, e.g. the carbon dating. Its the speculation that "hey this random ass rock or log looks like X" that I find laughable.

Its literally people looking at cloud formations, saying that one looks like a dog, then publishing "studies" about "Scientists prove that aerial dogs exist"

I'm not even skeptical about the conclusions. Just the speculative bullshit they use to get there and pretend its science.
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Not only that but the wording of the article is extremely massaged to make it seem like the wood itself is 500k years old. Read it closely and it becomes apparent that the site might be 500k years old and they conflate the age of the site with the age of the wood.

On top of that, their explanation for such long preservation of wood is that the wood was "waterlogged". I would think that if anything, waterlogged wood would decompose faster than wood in almost any other type of environment

It's horseshit
 
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Not only that but the wording of the article is extremely massaged to make it seem like the wood itself is 500k years old. Read it closely and it becomes apparent that the site might be 500k years old and they conflate the age of the site with the age of the wood.

On top of that, their explanation for such long preservation of wood is that the wood was "waterlogged". I would think that if anything, waterlogged wood would decompose faster than wood in almost any other type of environment

It's horseshit
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Yes and no on the waterlogged wood.
Some very old ships have been found in mint condition sitting on the ocean floor .. not 500000 years that's true, but wood can survive a long time if everything is right.
 
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Yes and no on the waterlogged wood.
Some very old ships have been found in mint condition sitting on the ocean floor .. not 500000 years that's true, but wood can survive a long time if everything is right.
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Those ships are almost all in the Black Sea and there exists a very peculiar set of rare conditions due to the water layers, oxygen levels (zero oxygen), temperature, no major storms, etc that doesn't exist anywhere else.

But even after 10-15k years I'd expect to see almost nothing left of those ships, let alone 500k
 
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certain woods can last essentially forever underwater.
in modern times, boston for example significant portions of the city is sitting on filled wetlands and the buildings are held up by wooden piles.
if the groundwater in the area keeps the pile wet, no issue, but if the pile dries out, it rots. i have to design around the groundwater levels for projects in those areas to make sure what we are doing maintains the groundwater level- ie, all work has to be done ABOVE the groundwater level and a sump pump in the basement has to be at least 1' above the groundwater level in that area.... the city has a network of monitoring wells that they look at monthly and record the elevation of the groundwater levels.
 
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Lenardo said:
certain woods can last essentially forever underwater.
in modern times, boston for example significant portions of the city is sitting on filled wetlands and the buildings are held up by wooden piles.
if the groundwater in the area keeps the pile wet, no issue, but if the pile dries out, it rots. i have to design around the groundwater levels for projects in those areas to make sure what we are doing maintains the groundwater level- ie, all work has to be done ABOVE the groundwater level and a sump pump in the basement has to be at least 1' above the groundwater level in that area.... the city has a network of monitoring wells that they look at monthly and record the elevation of the groundwater levels.
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Yeah but the piece of wood they found is in the middle of Africa, not at the bottom of ocean

P.s. Boston has been around for what, 350 years? Let's see if those piles are still around in a couple thousand years
 
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