Archeage

There is also a lot of people who love this kind of gameplay : they like to "learn the game" slowly, figure combos, skills and abilities. They like the RPG part of the game, building and gearing a character, managing their inventory, interact with other people. I'm more the rushing type but I can totally understand them. Also we're talking about Archeage, where leveling is quite fast and steady. It's not TESO where you had to clear other factions' content, doing the entire leveling experience two more times to get to VR10, and it's not Aion where you had to grind the same mobs thousand times like a fucking factory robot. That's why I like MMO betas with max level toons : you can try the game without having to get through 20 or 30 levels on a server which will be wiped before launch. Unfortunately for Archeage they didn't go that way, and I'm eager to watch Monday's Livestream to see if they'll agree with the huge uproar cash shop changes has created.

Btw, if you hate questing, crafting/gathering yields lots of XP (especially if you chug the vocation pots). When I played alpha, I got 10+ levels just mining and refining materials.

Nevermind.

So when will characters be permanent?

I would like to join PRX but at this point in my life with work and a newborn baby I am a casual gamer. Not sure if you guys accept casuals or just hardcore players

You don't need to be hardcore to be in PRX. I think at this point, most of us are heading into middle age and have way more responsibilities than in the UO/EQ/WOW era.

That's the sense I get as well. Which is why I decided to join even though I won't be able to jump in until the 16th.

I'm okay with not having a house and shit right away. I figure the shelf life for the average player will be low and I'll get a spot sooner rather than later.

Besides, the questing is so boring and monotonous that I can just slip into my "nothing box" and go for hours.

More challenging than level 50? Because if you can't hit 50 in this game you need to rethink what you're doing with your life.

I thought this was a pretty decent look into the game (yes, it's a youtube guy, sorry):

An ArcheAge Overview - YouTube

Goes over some basics, shows some combat, shows some farmville, shows some of the contentious decisions (cash shop for labor). He didn't get into the PVP itself (because he's not max level in the beta), other than talking about it being a huge part of the game and describing how you become a pirate.

Serious question: There's been a lot of drama surrounding the cash shop, and how evil it is. You've been playing an alpha (and recently, a beta) product with no monetary gains or ways to spend your money beyond the $170 or other investment to enter the game. I understand the concerns about the cash shop being overpriced (I personally think it is) - but did anyone honestly expect Trion to not launch a cash shop with these kind of prices given their history with cash shops?

Take for example, Rift: They sell gear/consumables/exp potions - and they have the subscription time on the auction house as well, which means people can buy subscriptions and sell them on the auction house. There's a logical gear progression in Rift to become 'endgame ready' through the cash shop in a similar way that Archeage's cash shop is being done. Did any of these people complaining honestly not see this cash shop coming, given the other games Trion hosts, and the fact that you aren't paying $170 for alpha access, but also itemsin the cash shop?That should've been a red flag to anyone that if you have to pay $170 to get a 'few items in the cash shop and alpha access' that this was coming. To what extent? I guess there was no foresight in that regards, but you can bet that based on Rift alone, you aren't going to just have a cosmetic cash shop like League/PoE.

If you're upset about this, well, there's nothing you can do now except get a refund (which Trion is offering, apparently). But seriously, I don't see why people continue to complain about fishy business practices and then indulge in them. Maybe i'm missing something?

I'll probably be playing this on whatever server PRXOT/DVS don't roll on - even then I might join the same faction as PRX, because i'm sort of leaning to them atm. I'm not too committed on playing the game to join up with a major guild yet.

The vast majority of complaints about the cash shop have nothing to do with the prices. The various founder's packs come with a bundle of credits, in addition to the alpha/beta access, headstart, 1-3 months of Patron status, and the cash shop items. Basically, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Other than the various P2W arguments, I believe most complaints are about how little Patron (sub) status actually gives you, requiring you to spend money on top of that. Things like bag/bank space, character slots, etc.

Raes_sl said:

The vast majority of complaints about the cash shop have nothing to do with the prices. The various founder's packs come with a bundle of credits, in addition to the alpha/beta access, headstart, 1-3 months of Patron status, and the cash shop items. Basically, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Other than the various P2W arguments, I believe most complaints are about how little Patron (sub) status actually gives you, requiring you to spend money on top of that. Things like bag/bank space, character slots, etc.

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Gotcha. I was very confused on why people were complaining; was only using my (bad) experience with Rift as an example. If the Patron status doesn't give you much and you have to fork out extra, then why even have it? Rift's Patron system at least had benefits beyond exp/money; are those missing from Archeage?

And I thought the P2W arguments were due to the prices. IE; unless you're paying $31+ or more, your character will be 15% less effective until you do. Based on this post that's kind of what I am getting at.

Math behind the Cash Shop[You Should read]

I can understand paying $30 more on top of a sub, but above $30 to be optimal and ready for pvp? That's a bit silly. Any more than $30 is silly, to be honest. I could sub to WoW, do 8 raids in 8 weeks (or grind conquest/honor) and become mythic geared in Warlods of Draenor for the same price.

I like the concept of Archeage. I'm still going to play it. But if it comes down to a guild saying "why not pay $100 and become better", I'm fucking bolting out of that game so goddamn quick.

Patreon gives you:

1) 10% exp bonus
2) 10 labor regen online/5 offline (free get no offline regen) and a higher labor cap (5k)
3) Ability to build+own land (the biggest reason for Patreon status, since that is a giant part of the game)
4) Ability to list items on AH
5) Queue priority (if a queue exists)

I may be missing something besides those

How much labor would a patron player who isn't really focused on getting max anything asap go through in a day? How about if I only focus on one thing per day? How long would I be able to farm mats? Craft? Level?

Secrets_sl said:

Maybe i'm missing something?

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Yeah, your whole post doesn't make much sense since your opinion about the recent uproar is fallacious. People don't care about cash shop presence, it's been here for ages. They care about latest changes in cash shop (Labor Pots, Archeum Chests) which basically sells extra rare ingame crafting materials for RL money and makes Labor system trivial. You don't need to spend months in Archeage to figure these latest minute changes are very bad for ingame economy. Also some people feel cheated about Trion's "No Tricks No Traps" policy while at the same time introducing gamebreaking changes one week before launch. So yeah you're definitely missing something there.

Bondurant_sl said:

Yeah, your whole post doesn't make much sense since your opinion about the recent uproar is fallacious. People don't care about cash shop presence, it's been here for ages. They care about latest changes in cash shop (Labor Pots, Archeum Chests) which basically sells extra rare ingame crafting materials for RL money and makes Labor system trivial. You don't need to spend months in Archeage to figure these latest minute changes are very bad for ingame economy. Also some people feel cheated about Trion's "No Tricks No Traps" policy while at the same time introducing gamebreaking changes one week before launch. So yeah you're definitely missing something there.

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Yeah I didn't know if it was about the cash shop being introduced or last minute changes. I figured this was the first iteration of the cash shop. I haven't payed that much attention to what they had rolled out in beta. So that's what I am missing I suppose. I only played in Alpha - Archeum dropped plentiful from mobs and if that's not the case anymore and they're only from the gambling purses (I'm reading this now) then that's fucking bullshit and they need to revert that. Especially considering Labor is consumed on opening those things... you have to be online if you're a free player to get labor points... yeah I can see that pissing some people off.