Archeage

Korrupt · Sep 8, 2014

Tearofsoul_sl said:
Thats why I am trying to get a refund from Trion, hopefully b4 the headstar

Trion lol =p

Tearofsoul · Sep 8, 2014

Krassus_sl said:
Trion lol =p

Stop laughing kid. It is a serious business.

Kirun · Sep 8, 2014

I was seriously considering finally coming back to an MMO again, but after all this nickle and diming bullshit, I'm out. It's one thing to pay 15$/month. Hell, I'd even shell out 20-25 nowadays. However, when companies gate content/functions that are integral to gameplay? Yeah, no fucking thanks..

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

Eh, if it makes you feel better I plan on being very competitive at the endgame PvP and from what I've seen I have zero plans to spend any more money on this game other than continuing my sub and what I spent for alpha access.

Vitality · Sep 8, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
Eh, if it makes you feel better I plan on being very competitive at the endgame PvP and from what I've seen I have zero plans to spend any more money on this game other than continuing my sub and what I spent for alpha access.

You feel like this game is worth subbing for?

This game took a very obvious wrong turn.

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

I subbed for a couple months in ESO and had a really good time in it with no regrets. The truth is that with MMOs even if the game has rough edges or is broken/bland if you're in a good community it's still fun and worthwhile.

Kirun · Sep 8, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
Eh, if it makes you feel better I plan on being very competitive at the endgame PvP and from what I've seen I have zero plans to spend any more money on this game other than continuing my sub and what I spent for alpha access.

The problem is, I'm a min/maxer at heart. So, changes like this take me completely out of it. I'm not claiming that I'll be unable to be "competitive", but having to pay hundreds of dollars on top of a monthly sub to have the best gear available? Nope.

Bruman · Sep 8, 2014

While cock-blocking progression in any game, especially with money, is a huge interest killer to people - how much does it ACTUALLY affect you once you're in game? Not having that TOP TIER of armor - how much of an ass-kicking does that open you up to? If you have just one notch under it, are you completely useless, or is gear done in a way so that skill is the more important thing?

Vitality · Sep 8, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
I subbed for a couple months in ESO and had a really good time in it with no regrets. The truth is that with MMOs even if the game has rough edges or is broken/bland if you're in a good community it's still fun and worthwhile.

I feel you on this one. ESO was a bit different though. You know that.

First and foremost they didn't sell any power for cash.

Secondly, seiging castles was (relatively) good.

You can only be high lords over an empty sea for so long Tuco my man. Especially if you don't "Legally RMT" gold and get ship mats week one.

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

Regarding P2W, there's two factors I'm not seeing very frequently:
1. If you do the math on how much it'll cost to get BiS gear by using the ingame cash shop to buy the mats for the gear, the cost is somewhere over 1 million USD and will require ludicrous amounts of time as well. This game just isn't set up to play, get to max level and get BiS gear.
2. The marketplace doesn't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't really change the dynamic of being able to pay to win because there will always be illegal gold sellers, power levelers and item sellers. And I'd bet that given most farmers cost ~$0.5 an hour and bots can cost even less the best way to pay2win won't be through the marketplace. There's zero way to avoid this except to make all the top gear BoP and make it require challenging gameplay to beat, and this game clearly favors the farming/gold grind.

So yeah, the changes in the last couple weeks are pretty shitty but when you step back and think critically about it, it changes very little about how much pay2win this game is.

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

Vitality_sl said:
I feel you on this one. ESO was a bit different though. You know that.

First and foremost they didn't sell any power for cash.

Secondly, seiging castles was (relatively) good.

You can only be high lords over an empty sea for so long Tuco my man. Especially if you don't "Legally RMT" gold and get ship mats week one.

I hope to have my clipper in the first few hours with no RMT...

And yeah, sieging castles was relatively good and we had some incredibly cinematic moments, but honestly after GW2 and ESO I'm a bit exhausted of castles warfare.

Vitality · Sep 8, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
Regarding P2W, there's two factors I'm not seeing very frequently:
1. If you do the math on how much it'll cost to get BiS gear by using the ingame cash shop to buy the mats for the gear, the cost is somewhere over 1 million USD and will require ludicrous amounts of time as well. This game just isn't set up to play, get to max level and get BiS gear.

2. The marketplace doesn't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't really change the dynamic of being able to pay to win because there will always be illegal gold sellers, power levelers and item sellers. And I'd bet that given most farmers cost ~$0.5 an hour and bots can cost even less the best way to pay2win won't be through the marketplace. There's zero way to avoid this except to make all the top gear BoP and make it require challenging gameplay to beat, and this game clearly favors the farming/gold grind.

So yeah, the changes in the last couple weeks are pretty shitty but when you step back and think critically about it, it changes very little about how much pay2win this game is.

1.) You're overlooking gold value on notable items purchased on the cash shop. IE: Cash shop items being able to be sold on the Market for gold profit and in turn purchasing archeum/mats or whatever you need. (Speculative market pricing) none-the-less this completely fucks with the games economy. See: "Legal RMT"

2.) On the subject of "illegal" RMT, every game has it, every game gets wrecked by it. This game does too, the above note makes this a more lucrative venture, by allowing botters the ability to purchase labor pots for gold among many other items.

-- All in all this is just one tangled RMT mess

I'm not going to put any money into this game. I feel like a complete sucker for putting in for the alpha access now as well.

Yukiri_sl · Sep 8, 2014

Tearofsoul_sl said:
Thats why I am trying to get a refund from Trion, hopefully b4 the headstar

Good luck, maybe you'll have better luck than I did. I tried for a refund back in August, it took three weeks just to get a reply which was "no, your account is older than 3 months, that's outside our refund policy".

Gravel · Sep 8, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
So yeah, the changes in the last couple weeks are pretty shitty but when you step back and think critically about it, it changes very little about how much pay2win this game is.

That's my conclusion as well.

The only one that pisses me off is the double dipping. An example of this is inventory and warehouse space. Those things are pretty basic but critical elements. The fact that you pay a subscription for Patron and those things are in the cash shop bothers me. There should be some in the loyalty shop that are non-tradeable. I look at SOE games that converted to F2P where subscribers get Station Cash, and I feel like that's the way these games should be. With Archeage though, your subscription doesn't bring a whole lot to the table. The loyalty shop is there, so it's like they considered this aspect, but they didn't put anything worth a damn in it.

Cinge · Sep 8, 2014

Vitality_sl said:
1.) You're overlooking gold value on notable items purchased on the cash shop. IE: Cash shop items being able to be sold on the Market for gold profit and in turn purchasing archeum/mats or whatever you need. (Speculative market pricing) none-the-less this completely fucks with the games economy. See: "Legal RMT"

2.) On the subject of "illegal" RMT, every game has it, every game gets wrecked by it. This game does too, the above note makes this a more lucrative venture, by allowing botters the ability to purchase labor pots for gold among many other items.

-- All in all this is just one tangled RMT mess

I'm not going to put any money into this game. I feel like a complete sucker for putting in for the alpha access now as well.

Your first complaint has been there since the start..

Not to mention you can sell straight cash shop currency via apex(which has been advertised for quite some time).

It's becoming the norm these days. Companies realize they will never remove RMT from their games, so they just do it themselves to get more of that $.

Elurin_sl said:
That's my conclusion as well.

The only one that pisses me off is the double dipping. An example of this is inventory and warehouse space. Those things are pretty basic but critical elements. The fact that you pay a subscription for Patron and those things are in the cash shop bothers me. There should be some in the loyalty shop that are non-tradeable. I look at SOE games that converted to F2P where subscribers get Station Cash, and I feel like that's the way these games should be. With Archeage though, your subscription doesn't bring a whole lot to the table. The loyalty shop is there, so it's like they considered this aspect, but they didn't put anything worth a damn in it.

Agree. I wish they put inventory/bank back for gold for maybe the first 3 upgrades or so, then you can sell the last ones in cash shop or add the scrolls to the loyalty shop(can make them like 50 points). Also patron status should be given like 500-1000 credits a month.

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

Vitality_sl said:
1.) You're overlooking gold value on notable items purchased on the cash shop. IE: Cash shop items being able to be sold on the Market for gold profit and in turn purchasing archeum/mats or whatever you need. (Speculative market pricing) none-the-less this completely fucks with the games economy. See: "Legal RMT"

2.) On the subject of "illegal" RMT, every game has it, every game gets wrecked by it. This game does too, the above note makes this a more lucrative venture, by allowing botters the ability to purchase labor pots for gold among many other items.

-- All in all this is just one tangled RMT mess

I'm not going to put any money into this game. I feel like a complete sucker for putting in for the alpha access now as well.

Yukiri_sl said:
Good luck, maybe you'll have better luck than I did. I tried for a refund back in August, it took three weeks just to get a reply which was "no, you're account is older than 3 months, that's outside our refund policy".

I heard if you paid via paypal you can use them to get a refund.

Korrupt · Sep 8, 2014

Yukiri_sl said:
Good luck, maybe you'll have better luck than I did. I tried for a refund back in August, it took three weeks just to get a reply which was "no, you're account is older than 3 months, that's outside our refund policy".

Your bank should be able to reach out to them, they did with me on the phone immediately and got me a refund.

Vitality · Sep 8, 2014

Krassus_sl said:
Your bank should be able to reach out to them, they did with me on the phone immediately and got me a refund.

Hmm... I'll have to look into this.

Tuco · Sep 8, 2014

Yeah if you're looking to get a refund I'd do it today, and be explicit as to why. I maintain that the community is overreacting to it and it doesn't change the fact that I'm super pumped for Friday, but am still annoyed at what they're pulling.

moontayle · Sep 8, 2014

I think it'll make little difference, which is basically what anyone who's done the math has concluded. It would be different if the advantage was extremely significant, but from everything I'm reading it really isn't. The reality is that it's a way to separate fools from their money.

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