Arkk's Weight Lifting / Fitness Thread

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Shonuff

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Soooo. New diet. Lemme tell you my strength has been sapped. SAPPED. Like a mutha fucker. Yesterday was shoulder day. On the seated should press machine I can usually throw up 400lbs plus. Yesterday, I got stalled on 375 on the 3rd rep. Shrugs are usually 495lbs x10 on that last rep. Could not even get ONE rep.

I need to figure out what is more important to me. Being a big dog, or looking cute in that new shirt.
Find a good bodybuilding trainer (one that deals with natties). My trainer increased my calories, and I dropped 25 net pounds (he had me creatine load so I gained some muscle from that) and got stronger. And I was stuffed the whole time, with my five meals a day.

It's all about your macro's, and less about calories IMO.
 

Shonuff

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And keep in mind, when I say good bodybuilding trainer, I'm not talking about the ones you see in the gym. Talk to people that do contests about who helps them with their contest prep. And stress that you want it to be a drug-free trainer. In my experience, when we were looking for one for my wife (who used our trainer first), 80% of them are going to start talking PED's. Our trainer only had us on UFC approved supplements.
 

Ossoi

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Soooo. New diet. Lemme tell you my strength has been sapped. SAPPED. Like a mutha fucker. Yesterday was shoulder day. On the seated should press machine I can usually throw up 400lbs plus. Yesterday, I got stalled on 375 on the 3rd rep. Shrugs are usually 495lbs x10 on that last rep. Could not even get ONE rep.

I need to figure out what is more important to me. Being a big dog, or looking cute in that new shirt.
welcome to keto.

As I said in the other thread:

Dude, please stop worrying about being in ketosis,, it's meaningless.

The harder you train/exercise the more carbs you have earned,, that's why keto works for people that don't exercise.

As I said above, people like you that lift heavy can absolutely handle carbs.

What the keto krew haven't mentioned is that training is going to suck until you're "fat adapted" which takes 4-6 weeks minimum.

Carb cycle and you'll benefit from keto days whilst also replenishing your glycogen levels which fuel your workouts.
 

Itlan

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You're in a caloric deficit, it's going to happen. I don't give a fuck if Arnold himself trained you and made your diet plan, you're going to lose some of it. Deal with it or keep being a fatty. It's really not that serious.
 

Shonuff

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You're in a caloric deficit, it's going to happen. I don't give a fuck if Arnold himself trained you and made your diet plan, you're going to lose some of it. Deal with it or keep being a fatty. It's really not that serious.
I don't buy that. Last Summer, I dropped 25 pounds, and was doing 8-12 reps with 400-500 pounds on Hammer Strength equipment for all of most of my exercises like it was nothing. And this was with no PED's, just OTC stuff. Unfortunately for me, I've not been able to keep with the diet plan I was on. It wasn't because it wasn't enough calories. I was on such a mass of fibrous foods that I couldn't get hungry. But I got sick of eating the same meals at the same time of day, for six months.

I can't say this enough. It is very tough to lose weight, and have that full look. There are people out there that are better than this than you. Why not pay someone to take the guesswork out?
 

Warmuth

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Brahma is strong enough that his weight probably matters a lot. Powerlifters are fat because they have to be. I'll spot you the freaks like Stan Efferding, they exist but the vast majority gain and lose strength based on bodyweight.
 

Shonuff

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Brahma is strong enough that his weight probably matters a lot. Powerlifters are fat because they have to be. I'll spot you the freaks like Stan Efferding, they exist but the vast majority gain and lose strength based on bodyweight.
Bullshit. When I was in college, my deadlift was in the top 20 in the US at my weight class. I've powerlifted many years. At the end of the day, powerlifters say they need all of that junk food for extra power, and it's a myth. I remember, when I cut out the junk food, and ate clean, it was only a positive impact on my training. I had more energy because I was eating right. And I started dropping water weight and fat.

I was in that lifestyle for awhile. Guys would say they needed to be fat to have power, and then they'd go to Burger King and have three whoppers, two large fries, two sodas, and then go to Dunkin Donuts and polish off half a dozen donuts. And that was a snack.

You don't need all of that.
 

Ambiturner

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Obviously, if you throw weight class into it then being lean gives you an advantage as well as being short.

Being a fat fuck living off fast food won't help you much, either, but you can get big and bulky even by eating clean at some point if you never cut. And cutting will always be worse for raw strength vs clean bulking.
 

Warmuth

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You available for hire? I'd be pretty stoked to have the same strength at 170 that I had at 200.
 

Ossoi

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You're in a caloric deficit, it's going to happen. I don't give a fuck if Arnold himself trained you and made your diet plan, you're going to lose some of it. Deal with it or keep being a fatty. It's really not that serious.
There shouldn't be an immediate drop off in strength, it's more of a slow decline due to calorie deficit.

The immediate drop off is down to ketosis and lack of carbs, it is known. But I don't want to derail this thread with keto, so any questions let's take it to weight loss
 

Brahma

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There shouldn't be an immediate drop off in strength, it's more of a slow decline due to calorie deficit.

The immediate drop off is down to ketosis and lack of carbs, it is known. But I don't want to derail this thread with keto, so any questions let's take it to weight loss
That's funny. I didn't want to derail the weight loss thread with my bullshit strength loss.
 

Shonuff

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There shouldn't be an immediate drop off in strength, it's more of a slow decline due to calorie deficit.

The immediate drop off is down to ketosis and lack of carbs, it is known. But I don't want to derail this thread with keto, so any questions let's take it to weight loss
I don't know that a conversation on keto is a derail. I bet if Brahma posted his calorie and macro count before and after, he's made too drastic a change. When I used to do keto, I didn't lose strength. I just had to cut my training volume, because I had no energy (because my body wasn't yet efficient at metabolizing fat as energy). If I was repping with 450 for squats, maybe instead of getting seven, I was only getting five. I never saw anything more than a rep loss from going to keto. But I'd feel like shit for two to three weeks until I could use fat for energy.

Anytime I'd see a huge drop in strength usually came from making drastic changes. You can't go from eating 5k calories a day in junk food and no cardio, to 2k a day and an hour of cardio a day overnight, and not think your strength will drop fast. How about cutting your junk food out, cutting your calories by 200 a day, and throwing in some HIIT cardio sessions? HIIT cardio is sick about peeling the fat off.
 

Ossoi

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I don't know that a conversation on keto is a derail. I bet if Brahma posted his calorie and macro count before and after, he's made too drastic a change. When I used to do keto, I didn't lose strength. I just had to cut my training volume, because I had no energy (because my body wasn't yet efficient at metabolizing fat as energy). If I was repping with 450 for squats, maybe instead of getting seven, I was only getting five. I never saw anything more than a rep loss from going to keto. But I'd feel like shit for two to three weeks until I could use fat for energy.
well there's a simultaneous discussion about keto that is ongoing in the other thread. It's not the first time keto has been discussed either
 

Itlan

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I don't buy that. Last Summer, I dropped 25 pounds, and was doing 8-12 reps with 400-500 pounds on Hammer Strength equipment for all of most of my exercises like it was nothing. And this was with no PED's, just OTC stuff. Unfortunately for me, I've not been able to keep with the diet plan I was on. It wasn't because it wasn't enough calories. I was on such a mass of fibrous foods that I couldn't get hungry. But I got sick of eating the same meals at the same time of day, for six months.

I can't say this enough. It is very tough to lose weight, and have that full look. There are people out there that are better than this than you. Why not pay someone to take the guesswork out?
No offense, but I really don't care about your hammer strength lol. I've gone from 222 to 208 in the last 5 weeks and I can tell you there's a drop off even at my weight, so I can't even imagine Brahma's age and weight factoring into this right now.

Yes, there's the "keto flu," but even still he's going to see a drop off no matter what approach he takes. That's my only point. Is keto more or less efficient? Don't know, but if this is what works for him to lose weight so be it.
 

Shonuff

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No offense, but I really don't care about your hammer strength lol. I've gone from 222 to 208 in the last 5 weeks and I can tell you there's a drop off even at my weight, so I can't even imagine Brahma's age and weight factoring into this right now.
Of course you are going to lose strength if you are dropping three pounds a week. That's too much. My trainer didn't want me losing more than 1.5 pounds a week. Unless you are on PED's, you can't drop that fast without losing muscle.

Slow and steady is the name of the game.
 

Itlan

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So my body is falling apart and I'm in a deficit so I've decided to take a prolonged break from powerlifting. Plus, my progress has come to a complete standstill, thinking I need to build a bigger frame before I start trying to move 400+ pounds on my back. Basically I can't get past 385 squat and a 275 bench. I've been doing this for about a year straight with no hypertrophy blocks so I think a change is necessary at this point.