Autonomous Systems

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Kiroy

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Autonomous trucking may work eventually in true point A to point B at a wharehouse or something. Lots of stuff I've done in my life and seen that no computer operated truck is going to be able handle now and not for a while. Everything we order at the shop we have to tell the guy where to park to unload so that we can get X equipment and be out of the way for Y coming up that he can't know about. Happens millions of times a day on jobsites. I won't know exactly where till he drives up, so it's not like I can designate "park here" ahead of time via a computer. I also don't know how you are going to ask a computer "Can you squeeze in here and parly jack knife so we can fit in some shit around you while we unload?" and a 1,000 other things I've asked a delivery driver and that's not counting logging trucks having to play in the mud and such.

This is an easy fix until tech can solve. Driverless truck parks at designated spot at facility and a dude equivalent to a maratime pilot hops in and drives to end point.
 

Tuco

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I want to see a fully autonomous tesla in a NASCAR race, programmed to a highly aggressive driving mode.
Tesla vehicles wouldn't operate on a race track without some specific modifications.

Autonomous vehicle racing would be a lot of fun though. You could cut loose on a lot of the safety features and open up the design restrictions.
 
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Tuco

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This is an easy fix until tech can solve. Driverless truck parks at designated spot at facility and a dude equivalent to a maratime pilot hops in and drives to end point.
Inconsequential point: I'd be really annoyed to be a truck driver who has to go from driving a truck cross-country 7.5 hours a day and load/unload 0.5hours a day to having to unload/load trucks 8 hours a day.
 

mkopec

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Inconsequential point: I'd be really annoyed to be a truck driver who has to go from driving a truck cross-country 7.5 hours a day and load/unload 0.5hours a day to having to unload/load trucks 8 hours a day.

Actually it might not be a bad deal. Right now those dudes are gone like a week at a time, sometimes longer. Now they would work a regular 8 hr job in a regular place and go home every day.
 

Tuco

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Actually it might not be a bad deal. Right now those dudes are gone like a week at a time, sometimes longer. Now they would work a regular 8 hr job in a regular place and go home every day.
Even worse!
 

Kiroy

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Inconsequential point: I'd be really annoyed to be a truck driver who has to go from driving a truck cross-country 7.5 hours a day and load/unload 0.5hours a day to having to unload/load trucks 8 hours a day.

Better than working at mac d's? But really (and this is assuming we'll actually need this position for a while), it could become a pretty high paid specialization (being able to accurately manipulate a large rig) if the amount of drivers starts to dwindle due to driverless trucks.
 

Fogel

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You wouldn't be working at Mcd's because the same time they're rolling out autonomous trucks/cars, they'll also be releasing that autonomous burger maker.
 

Borzak

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This is an easy fix until tech can solve. Driverless truck parks at designated spot at facility and a dude equivalent to a maratime pilot hops in and drives to end point.


Maybe, but the shit we get in has that happen on both ends. All our shit we order comes from across town and they have that same dance of moving shit around park/wait do the dance and shit just to load up then we have to do it again to unload. Just last year I had a semi fall into a canal while trying to get into a spot to unload, no big deal tho cause our crane picked it up and he was on his way. Good luck trying to get a computer to over ride it's safety stuff to do that. Shit like that happens a lot. Good luck getting a computer to do it. Totally go away, no way. Reduce human load probably.

Probably from point A to point B if it has to go some distance greater than across town and has a wharehouse loading dock set up to accomidate them and possibly specically them.
 

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Computers suck at complicated tasks they're really good at easy tasks, instead of trying to make them see like a human being just make all the vehicles on the road give out a signal that the autonomous vehicles on the road would see easily and work around that.
 

Gravel

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Tuco fuck all that shit.

Let's get rich cuz I just got the notion of where autonomous vehicles would break into the consumer market: Let's all kickstarter the rerolled ROBO-WINNEBAGO!

You can just cruise the country nonstop until you need to charge its batteries every thousand miles or so. You can cook, watch movies, fuck your wife, play those rang-rang MMOs u love so much, do all your homey things while your Winnebago drives you around the country evading collections agents.

By the time it's ready to hit the market, all of these pasty NEETs will be ready to retire and take out massive high interest loans for our self-driving Poopsock-Mobile. We could even make windows optional but I doubt anyone would buy them.

Preorder now [email protected]
I'm sold.

Feel like you were marketing this directly at me.
 
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Tuco

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Computers suck at complicated tasks they're really good at easy tasks, instead of trying to make them see like a human being just make all the vehicles on the road give out a signal that the autonomous vehicles on the road would see easily and work around that.
What about all the dynamic obstacles that you can't put a transponder on?
 

Blakkheim

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Computers suck at complicated tasks they're really good at easy tasks, instead of trying to make them see like a human being just make all the vehicles on the road give out a signal that the autonomous vehicles on the road would see easily and work around that.

There is absolutely zero chance of that happening. You might be able to pass some legislation requiring something like this be implemented into new vehicles but existing vehicles/owners would never comply with it.
 

Borzak

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Ya I mean i'm not sure if the effort is worth it for just across town stuff.

For some stuff I'm sure it will be, but someone earlier said in 10 years or some such no more human drivers. I can see lots of uses for autonomous trucks/shipping but a lot of hurdles to overcome to get rid of them all. Hell I have a loading dock at my house for the shop and I want a human I can yell at and tell where to go and such, or "stay to that side of the driveway or you'll sink your ass off". That type of stuff.
 

Cad

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I don't even know what your plan is, what you're trying to solve or how you think transponders and collision radar will solve it.

That is a way nicer answer than I might have typed out. Lol

"why can't the car just turn to avoid obstacles??"

Err..
 

mkopec

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What about the hard choices autonomy will have to face from time to time, for example lets say there is a pedestrian on the road, but when the car swerves to avoid said pedestrian, there is a chance to hit another two pedestrians that are in the way of him swerving. Third option is swerving to miss both but killing the person/people in the car.
 

Cad

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What about the hard choices autonomy will have to face from time to time, for example lets say there is a pedestrian on the road, but when the car swerves to avoid said pedestrian, there is a chance to hit another two pedestrians that are in the way of him swerving. Third option is swerving to miss both but killing the person/people in the car.

It should be able to see/detect far enough ahead that there won't just be "pedestrians in the road" that it can't stop in time for. If it can't see far enough, it should slow down until it can see far enough.

If people step off the curb in front of an autonomous car it should swerve if there is space available (which it can determine faster than any human) or go straight ahead while braking if not. You might get hit if you step off the curb in front of a car autonomous or not.

It doesn't have to make moral choices, and it probably can't be programmed to detect the number of people who would die in a general sense even if it could make moral choices. Once we get 3 laws robots and positronic brains we can tell it to take the action that results in the lowest probability of human deaths (or lowest number of human deaths if the probability is 100%) but making such a general moralistic question and determination is like step 497 and we're on step 12.
 

mkopec

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making such a general moralistic question and determination is like step 497 and we're on step 12.


I know, its still fun to discuss, because you know we will get there eventually.

Also in a busy city, there wont be that much time to react and break, even for a computer. Imagine going like 45mph down some city road and a bike just happens to appear right in front of you but you nor the car could see it because a truck or van was obstructing the view/radar.

Or kids playing in a neighborhood street and one just happens to run out chasing a ball or something, but again, could not see it detect it because of cars parked on the street.