Autonomous Systems

Aldarion · Aug 19, 2016

Tuco said:
Oh, and my prediction on how the above question will play out: For decades OEMs will tell users, "Don't take fucking naps. Pay attention. if the autonomy system fails and you don't catch it, it's on your dumb ass."

Much to Aldarion's dissent, a big part of autonomy development is a camera in the cabin monitoring the driver. In cars that actually care about safety (ex: volvo), expect to see some nanny-cam that bitches and moans when it detects the driver isn't paying attention. After enough autonomy failures this might become a feature required by government.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but its not clear how having BigBrotherCam in the cabin makes it any less of an intrusion on personal liberties when the insurance company and federal government collude to tell me I'm not allowed to drive my own car.

Tuco · Aug 19, 2016

I'm saying that not only will you be forced to go via the DMV-mobile to your approved destination during your approved curfew hours, but you'll also be monitored by your BigBrotherCam while doing it. This setup is double-plus good. Do you have something to hide, Citizen Aldarion?

BrutulTM · Aug 19, 2016

I think people talking about "fighting for your right to self drive" just lack imagination. I'm sure back in Henry Ford's day there were plenty of old coots posting on internet message boards about how cars would never replace horses and they would never ride in one of those death contraptions. Do you feel oppressed by the fact that you can't ride a horse on the freeway today? No, because that would be retarded and at a certain point the idea of a human driver on a public freeway will be just as retarded.

I think driving cars is something a lot of people like to do and those people will still drive for pleasure but they won't do it on the public streets that people need to use to get around. There are still rodeos, horse racing, and pleasure riding all over the world and I'm sure that driving cars for recreational purposes will exist in the same way but that doesn't mean that we need to drive ourselves to work every day or have a human in a truck full of potatoes heading to a processing plant. There will also be applications where humans will need to drive, or at least control things manually, just like there are still applications where horses are still used to do work, but that will be a specialty situation.

Imagine how great autonomous vehicles will be for road trip vacations. Get in your RV, go to sleep, and wake up 400 miles later at the next place you wanted to visit. Fucking awesome.

Cad · Aug 19, 2016

I enjoy the liberty of having a vehicle, but if it can drive itself it'd be very freeing. I don't get the "it's my goddamn right to drive myself" thing. Why would you even want to if you don't have to? It's a fucking chore.

Chukzombi · Aug 19, 2016

Aldarion said:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but its not clear how having BigBrotherCam in the cabin makes it any less of an intrusion on personal liberties when the insurance company and federal government collude to tell me I'm not allowed to drive my own car.

constant tracking will do more than affect your car insurance, if you have any habits deemed unhealthy, your insurance company will get involved. if they see you stumbling to and from your car drunk every weekend/weekday or perhaps you are travelling in bad parts of town. your insurance rates may begin to skyrocket. there is no end to where big brother can fuck you.

Cad · Aug 19, 2016

I am surprised there's not already widespread GPS tracking of cars to catch speeders/lawbreakers.

Jalynfane · Aug 19, 2016

I was thinking about some jobs/trades today that will take forever to become done by robots, maybe never.

Plumber
Electrician
HVAC

Tuco · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
I am surprised there's not already widespread GPS tracking of cars to catch speeders/lawbreakers.

The problem is getting the data. GPS receivers like in your phone only receive the data and don't broadcast it. Cops would have to retrieve that data some how and don't tread on me.

Chukzombi · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
I am surprised there's not already widespread GPS tracking of cars to catch speeders/lawbreakers.

they tried or are trying to get shit like that passed in NJ. a camera "timestamps" your car as it passes a certain point and then when your car hits another point, that camera "timestamps" you there too. this way if it only took you 30 seconds to travel 2 miles then they fucking got you. i believe they tried to do this with your ez-pass . people were getting speeding tickets in the mail with their ezpass bill or something.

sadris · Aug 19, 2016

Chukzombi said:
constant tracking will do more than affect your car insurance, if you have any habits deemed unhealthy, your insurance company will get involved. if they see you stumbling to and from your car drunk every weekend/weekday or perhaps you are travelling in bad parts of town. your insurance rates may begin to skyrocket. there is no end to where big brother can fuck you.

Self driving bro. This is my future. Booze, blowjobs and bars.

mkopec · Aug 19, 2016

the whole chore thing brings me back when we got My wifes dads jeep, RIP. anyway its a stick, fully manual, no power anything. I was thinking, shit this will take me back to my youth days, driving a stick, how fun that will be!

10 min into my first ride I was like fuck this manual shit!

Cad · Aug 19, 2016

Chukzombi said:
they tried or are trying to get shit like that passed in NJ. a camera "timestamps" your car as it passes a certain point and then when your car hits another point, that camera "timestamps" you there too. this way if it only took you 30 seconds to travel 2 miles then they fucking got you. i believe they tried to do this with your ez-pass . people were getting speeding tickets in the mail with their ezpass bill or something.

It wouldn't even be difficult since the technology to read your license plate as you drive by obviously exists for all the toll roads in Dallas. Put that shit up at 1 mile intervals, ticket accordingly. Bet people would slow the fuck down.

Tuco · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
It wouldn't even be difficult since the technology to read your license plate as you drive by obviously exists for all the toll roads in Dallas. Put that shit up at 1 mile intervals, ticket accordingly. Bet people would slow the fuck down.

Question is whether that's a good thing or not. Right now you have a X mph road that everyone travels X+10 on and gives police officers an easy reason to pull everyone over, but everyone is generally happy with the speed.

If you systematically enforce it, you now have more traffic and people angry about the low speed limit.

ZyyzYzzy · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
It wouldn't even be difficult since the technology to read your license plate as you drive by obviously exists for all the toll roads in Dallas. Put that shit up at 1 mile intervals, ticket accordingly. Bet people would slow the fuck down.

Come to Maryland with speed cameras everywhere. It is terrible especially since some speeding cameras only take a picture of.you go 10+ while others will take one at 5+ over the speed limit.

Cad · Aug 19, 2016

Tuco said:
Question is whether that's a good thing or not. Right now you have a X mph road that everyone travels X+10 on and gives police officers an easy reason to pull everyone over, but everyone is generally happy with the speed.

If you systematically enforce it, you now have more traffic and people angry about the low speed limit.

You'd probably actually have less traffic because people would merge more smoothly and a lot less overtake/lane changing nonsense since everyone would just be going 60. When someone pulls out in front of you because the guy in front of them is actually going the speed limit and you hit your brakes, the guy behind you hits his brakes... that happening 50 times is what causes traffic jams that don't happen because of lane closures/accidents.

mkopec · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
You'd probably actually have less traffic because people would merge more smoothly and a lot less overtake/lane changing nonsense since everyone would just be going 60. When someone pulls out in front of you because the guy in front of them is actually going the speed limit and you hit your brakes, the guy behind you hits his brakes... that happening 50 times is what causes traffic jams that don't happen because of lane closures/accidents.

Damn straight. I would take a computer controlled 60mph over 70 mph human controlled highway traffic any day.

Tuco · Aug 19, 2016

Cad said:
You'd probably actually have less traffic because people would merge more smoothly and a lot less overtake/lane changing nonsense since everyone would just be going 60. When someone pulls out in front of you because the guy in front of them is actually going the speed limit and you hit your brakes, the guy behind you hits his brakes... that happening 50 times is what causes traffic jams that don't happen because of lane closures/accidents.

Tuco · Aug 19, 2016

mkopec said:
Damn straight. I would take a computer controlled 60mph over 70 mph human controlled highway traffic any day.

What's funny about this is that until there is widely accepted V2V communication, the opposite will be true. You know how you drive on the freeway during rush hour and most people are driving 70mph+ like 2 car lengths away from the car in front them? An autonomous system will say fucking nope to that and drive much more cautiously. That's a good thing, but the space required for an autonomous car will be larger than a meatbag car for a long time because they are going to be cautious.

When you have a large adoption of autonomous vehicles, you'll see an increase in traffic because they're all going to be spaced out a bunch, accelerate slowly etc. These are just growing pains, but we're not going to see this majestic chorus of vehicles for a very long time, if ever.

mkopec · Aug 19, 2016

Of course not, for a while. But you bet your ass we will get there someday. Especially when all the vehicles communicate with each other. You dont need but inches of room if they do that.

Siddar · Aug 19, 2016

Tuco said:
Oh, and my prediction on how the above question will play out: For decades OEMs will tell users, "Don't take fucking naps. Pay attention. if the autonomy system fails and you don't catch it, it's on your dumb ass."

Much to Aldarion's dissent, a big part of autonomy development is a camera in the cabin monitoring the driver. In cars that actually care about safety (ex: volvo), expect to see some nanny-cam that bitches and moans when it detects the driver isn't paying attention. After enough autonomy failures this might become a feature required by government.

Complete deal breaker then. I'm not adding the expense of self driving to the car if it doesn't actually allow me to surf porn while the car drives.

Camera watching me and complaining is completely out of the question.

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