Black Desert

Uriel · Jan 17, 2023

Guru alchemy sounds nice, but getting there seems like a ton of work.

Kirun · Jan 18, 2023

Grabbit Allworth said:
I use the direction keys for movement and surrounding keys (Numpad, DEL, END, etc.) for abilities.

Uriel · Jan 18, 2023

That's the old maplestory key setup isn't it? Do you just play shai/casters in BDO or what, doesn't seem like you can do much combo'ing like that.

Avatar of Nyx · Jan 18, 2023

And more disappointment from the latest JHammer. Failing that over and over and over really sucks the fun out of this game.

Grabbit Allworth · Jan 18, 2023

Uriel said:
That's the old maplestory key setup isn't it? Do you just play shai/casters in BDO or what, doesn't seem like you can do much combo'ing like that.

I'm honestly not sure what started it, but I began playing PC games in the 80s and I remember that a lot of games in that period defaulted to the arrow keys. It's been years since I've played BD and I don't remember my setup, but I played a Wizard, exclusively. I remember that I had to do a bunch re-assignments and added modifiers/moves to my mouse buttons by using the Logitech software to have it consider button presses as different keystrokes.

Just to be clear, I use a mouse in my right hand like everyone else. My left hand is just further to the right on the keyboard. Also, it causes me zero issues. I still shit on people in FPS games and even got Gladiator in WoW when people cared about that.

Valderen · Jan 18, 2023

I'm still debating what to use the timepiece(s) on. The Maegu looks cool, seems to flow better than Woosa, I may keep her to level up for next season.

I'm thinking of using 1 timepiece on a Corsair. I had one on the Xbox but don't have one on the PC.

The other would go either on Guardian or Lahn I think.

I actually never had a T8 courser, never got lucky with the skill. I should have used my coupons, I have close to 30 I think. Well my latest T8 has 6 skills so far with 4 levels to go. I'll use the coupons to get the 7th skills this time around if it doesn't get it on it's own.

I've been collecting wood for the Epheria Sailboat on and off for a long time, damn it needs a lot of Logs. Finally got everything, have 8 workers working on it now 24/7. Then work will start on upgrading it.

I've also started doing dailies for Forest Path Wagon. I think that's 20 days of dailies. The biggest issue with that is that it requires the Grana 4 house to build it, and it's obviously where I have my main house. So I will have too move.

There's something about the grind about everything in the game that in some ways is annoying, but also it's the only game that doesn't give you everything within a month of little to no effort, so you have long term goals. Not sure if that's truly good or not...but it does mean I have things to do for a long time as I am slow to get anything done, I dabble in everything and don't play all year round.

Zindan · Jan 18, 2023

Valderen said:
I'm still debating what to use the timepiece(s) on. The Maegu looks cool, seems to flow better than Woosa, I may keep her to level up for next season.

I'm thinking of using 1 timepiece on a Corsair. I had one on the Xbox but don't have one on the PC.

The other would go either on Guardian or Lahn I think.

I actually never had a T8 courser, never got lucky with the skill. I should have used my coupons, I have close to 30 I think. Well my latest T8 has 6 skills so far with 4 levels to go. I'll use the coupons to get the 7th skills this time around if it doesn't get it on it's own.

I've been collecting wood for the Epheria Sailboat on and off for a long time, damn it needs a lot of Logs. Finally got everything, have 8 workers working on it now 24/7. Then work will start on upgrading it.

I've also started doing dailies for Forest Path Wagon. I think that's 20 days of dailies. The biggest issue with that is that it requires the Grana 4 house to build it, and it's obviously where I have my main house. So I will have too move.

There's something about the grind about everything in the game that in some ways is annoying, but also it's the only game that doesn't give you everything within a month of little to no effort, so you have long term goals. Not sure if that's truly good or not...but it does mean I have things to do for a long time as I am slow to get anything done, I dabble in everything and don't play all year round.

Having a long term goal in BDO is pretty good, since you can get there at your own pace and be pretty assured in knowing that your goal most likely won't become irrelevant. Take breaks as needed to keep your sanity, then come back and have fun.

Uriel · Jan 18, 2023

Farming is a great mostly passive/afk money maker for anyone who has never done it. 90 CP investment (you get one permanent fence from a quest) for 25-30+M per harvest (my income farming special onions, breed until 20 seeds then harvest the rest), you can harvest every 4 hours or less, and it takes under 3 mins (for me it takes about 2.5min to harvest, replant, water, fertilize using master fences). You're also getting a lot of leaves you can turn in for CP or horse mats. Definitely use a dedicated farming alt for this parked at your farm.

Pancreas · Jan 19, 2023

So I was looking to upgrade my horse. Was riding a T7 I have been slowly leveling up but I don't think it's going to make it to courser status.

Found a T8 female that could still be bred with 16/20 skills with 5/7 courser skills. I had 6 skill change coupons from somewhere and thought, "let's see what happens". It was only after I saw the percentages of the remaining skills did I realize the mistake I made. Only 10% ish chance for either of the remaining 2 skills. Crap.

Somehow fortune smiled on my ignorant ass and I grabbed both skills with the 6 coupons.

Cool I now have a T8 female breedable courser.

So I pay the breeding fee and 2 hours later bam I have a second T8 female.

I have a single breeding reset coupon I am going to use on the first female.

I decided to try my hand at T9 awakening next. I had a bunch of free blue mats that were going to sit there forever otherwise.

I loaded the horse up with everything I had and barely made the 200% limit and just laughed when I saw the 1% chance. That's where my luck stopped.

Only lost about 70 million in mats that I could have sold.

That's probably the last time I try that unless I am drowning in silver.

Still a T8 with S. Instant acceleration is about as good as it gets until you get your private horse jet.

But yeah, my amateurish horse speculation actually paid of so far. Just need to level another horse to 30 and see what rngesus gives me.

Overall, horse breeding is insanely rng dependent and the volume of horses you need to be leveling up is beyond what I want to do with my time. And I know most training takes place while afk, it's still a lot.

Avatar of Nyx · Jan 19, 2023

Most folks doing training are doing so to turn the horse in via Imperial Delivery to get the flower things for T10 attempts. I dont believe many people do training for money as there are far more lucrative ways to spend your time while afk. That's a weird sentence but you get what I mean

Keep that T8 courser, ride her hooves off while you slowly work on T9 attempts. They dole out courser materials fairly regularly (or do farming, see the earlier post) and eventually it'll happen.

Kirun · Jan 19, 2023

Pancreas said:
So I was looking to upgrade my horse. Was riding a T7 I have been slowly leveling up but I don't think it's going to make it to courser status.

Found a T8 female that could still be bred with 16/20 skills with 5/7 courser skills. I had 6 skill change coupons from somewhere and thought, "let's see what happens". It was only after I saw the percentages of the remaining skills did I realize the mistake I made. Only 10% ish chance for either of the remaining 2 skills. Crap.

Somehow fortune smiled on my ignorant ass and I grabbed both skills with the 6 coupons.

Cool I now have a T8 female breedable courser.

So I pay the breeding fee and 2 hours later bam I have a second T8 female.

I have a single breeding reset coupon I am going to use on the first female.

I decided to try my hand at T9 awakening next. I had a bunch of free blue mats that were going to sit there forever otherwise.

I loaded the horse up with everything I had and barely made the 200% limit and just laughed when I saw the 1% chance. That's where my luck stopped.

Only lost about 70 million in mats that I could have sold.

That's probably the last time I try that unless I am drowning in silver.

Still a T8 with S. Instant acceleration is about as good as it gets until you get your private horse jet.

But yeah, my amateurish horse speculation actually paid of so far. Just need to level another horse to 30 and see what rngesus gives me.

Overall, horse breeding is insanely rng dependent and the volume of horses you need to be leveling up is beyond what I want to do with my time. And I know most training takes place while afk, it's still a lot.

Like 99% of things in Black Desert, it's ALWAYS time better spent just grinding silver and buying it off the AH. Unless you play 24/7 or started the game way back in the day and cornered a market to build billions and billions in capital, you just won't have the ability to make RNG come out "ahead" for you in the end.

Valderen · Jan 19, 2023

Well this was interesting, I bred two level 30 tier 6 horses and got a tier 8 out of it, I don't know the odds of that happening but I thought it was pretty cool. So I decided to exchange both of them since they couldn't breed anymore, and got another tier 8 out of it. I'm pretty happy with that, especially since one is male which I really needed since I have 3 tier 8 female, and no males to breed with.

With the luck I had, I'm tempted to breed my level 30 tier 7 with a tier 8 and hope I get another 8. Probably best not to push it though.

Uriel · Jan 19, 2023

Kirun said:
Like 99% of things in Black Desert, it's ALWAYS time better spent just grinding silver and buying it off the AH. Unless you play 24/7 or started the game way back in the day and cornered a market to build billions and billions in capital, you just won't have the ability to make RNG come out "ahead" for you in the end.

That may be true but it's a lot more fun to do things your own way, make mistakes, etc., and learn for yourself. You're gonna value that dream horse you made yourself a lot more than one you bought, the same with that pen you tapped yourself. I'm guessing most of us here aren't playing to be extra sweaty pvpers with something to prove, so have fun.

Kirun · Jan 19, 2023

Uriel said:
You're gonna value that dream horse you made yourself a lot more than one you bought, the same with that pen you tapped yourself.

Unless you quit the game altogether because the frustration of RNG makes you ragequit. BDO is a fun game, but you'll save yourself a LOT of annoyance by just grinding most things and circumventing bad RNG. Sure, fuck with lifeskills, CP, all of that stuff. Because even if those systems aren't as "efficient", you're still technically making silver/progress, albeit just at a slower pace. Fucking yourself via bad RNG is resetting/backtracking and that will eventually feel like shit and cause people to quit.

I'm simply advocating that people value their "time" more and save themselves the pain.

Valderen · Jan 20, 2023

Kirun said:
Unless you quit the game altogether because the frustration of RNG makes you ragequit. BDO is a fun game, but you'll save yourself a LOT of annoyance by just grinding most things and circumventing bad RNG. Sure, fuck with lifeskills, CP, all of that stuff. Because even if those systems aren't as "efficient", you're still technically making silver/progress, albeit just at a slower pace. Fucking yourself via bad RNG is resetting/backtracking and that will eventually feel like shit and cause people to quit.

I'm simply advocating that people value their "time" more and save themselves the pain.

You’re right that the most efficient way to progress is grinding mobs for silver and buying everything. It kinda sucks that the gap between mindless grind and other activities is so large in amount of silver/hour that you can make.

That said, personally I can‘t grind for more than maybe an hour a day before I get bored out of my mind. I just do the activities I enjoy doing and very slowly get the things I want. I’ve accepted the limits that this puts on me, but I’m fine with it. Since I did that, I’ve enjoyed my time in bdo way more than before. I still only play a few months at a time 2-3 times a year but haven’t ragequit in a long time, I just take breaks to play other stuff.

If you’re not super competitive and don’t feel the need to be the best and have the best gear etc…BDO becomes strangely becomes extremely casual friendly. It’s kinda weird saying that, but it’s true…or at least it is for me.

But yeah, it’s not an efficient way to play…but I’m having fun.

Gravel · Jan 21, 2023

Well I talked myself into installing this again. For the third time.

Started on the season server with a Maegu, mostly just to get my bearings about the game again. This isn't my first go around restarting the game, so I already know it'll take time to remember what all the items in my inventory and banks are for. I started on the "veteran" story path, which I'm not sure was the right move (level 20 and haven't fought anything).

Planning on playing it until I can get whatever the max I need for the good shit at the end of the season. Last time I played I really enjoyed my Lahn, started on a season server. So that'll probably be my main again (first go around was with a DK). Any advice on what I should do would be appreciated though. I'm assuming the Kzarka weapon was my season conversion.

Mentioned it a few times in this thread, but also have a Dine dream horse that I bred from scratch. Looks like I've got +5 Granverre on all slots, dunno if that's good or anything.

Valderen · Jan 21, 2023

Gravel said:
Well I talked myself into installing this again. For the third time.

Started on the season server with a Maegu, mostly just to get my bearings about the game again. This isn't my first go around restarting the game, so I already know it'll take time to remember what all the items in my inventory and banks are for. I started on the "veteran" story path, which I'm not sure was the right move (level 20 and haven't fought anything).

Planning on playing it until I can get whatever the max I need for the good shit at the end of the season. Last time I played I really enjoyed my Lahn, started on a season server. So that'll probably be my main again (first go around was with a DK). Any advice on what I should do would be appreciated though. I'm assuming the Kzarka weapon was my season conversion.

Mentioned it a few times in this thread, but also have a Dine dream horse that I bred from scratch. Looks like I've got +5 Granverre on all slots, dunno if that's good or anything.

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Veteran storyline is the winter one, its very story heavy and little fighting but you will get to 51 with it I think in just a few hours, I personally don't really like that path.

You only really need to get to 61 during a season, 62 if you really want to but most just go for 61. There's 2 timepieces this season so you'll end up with 3 level 61 if you want at the end of the season. Make sure you complete the season as it's required to graduate, you have until February 15th to graduate, fairly easy. Not much else to know about the season really.

Gravel · Jan 21, 2023

Oh, I thought the timepiece was basically trading your season character for a different class. You get to keep everything?

Any advice on end of season reward? And what to pick for Cloud accessory?

Valderen · Jan 21, 2023

Finally got a T8 courser today at level 28, I was definitely going to use coupons on this one though, never been so close. The most I had before was 4 skills. I had one that had 5 skills total missing, 4 of them courser and last one being the two-seater. My luck has been crappy with horses so far. Can’t wait till she’s 30 and I can start attempting for a dream horse…and be disappointed. I looked quickly and I think I have enough mats for 7 or 8 attempts.

I posted a few weeks ago how my radiant fairy got the potion and weight limit at rank 5 to start with. I don’t care much beyond those 2 as they are the ones I consider must have, I obviously don’t want the glow skill, which is what I got as the 3rd skill…2 recollas and I got the water breathing one at rank 5. Luck sucks with horses but doing pretty good with the fairy this time around. So eight now please fair is 3 skills at rank 5. Not sure what I’ll do with the last 2. I have 9 orbs left from events and stuff so that’s either 2 rerolls at 4, or 1 at 4 and 5, or 1 at 5 and a second if I buy an extra orb. So hopefully I get something decent with these 2 rerolls. I think I’m good now though, the remaining skills are pretty useless. I don’t grind enough to care about continuous care, the auto drink in desert, auto-rez and light skills are all useless. Maybe I’ll just keep her at 3 skills in case they ever introduce a new skill I may want.

I’m taking a break now with my horse on auto-path…so it will be 30 by the time I get back to the game and ready to try for dream horse. I have a feeling I’m going to bed upset tonight.

Avatar of Nyx · Jan 21, 2023

Gravel said:
Oh, I thought the timepiece was basically trading your season character for a different class. You get to keep everything?

Any advice on end of season reward? And what to pick for Cloud accessory?

Regarding the time piece, it kinda is. When you click the time piece, you will have to choose one of your other characters (under level 25 i think is the limit). Your current season character will become a standard character and the lowbie you picked will become a season character with the same level and skill point total of your previous season character (your original character retains its level and skill point total as well. More or less, level up a season character and get a bonus character for free. The season gear you were using stays season gear for the newly time pieced character to use and you will get a set of tuvala weapon swap coupons to change the weapons over.

Cloud accessory, Id say belt or necklace as those will offer higher Ap than the other slots (plus you can quest for a PEN Crescent ring) and if you dont have better, the PEN Capotia accessories are pretty good as end of season rewards but Im not sure my advice is spot on that regard, others can offer input on that one.

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