black islamist beheads British soldier in London
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Fuck dude. Troll harder? You sure do like to jump to the most insane viewpoint off the bat.
Maybe some of us are realists. We understand why they hate us, but we're in absolutely no position to change a god damn thing. Keep posting retarded shit though.
History indicates that once a sufficient standard of living and level of education has been achieved society will gradually become a lot more secular. It can take a while to happen however.
Right but I think here also these people are going to have to have public institutions that are their own (which means for a while we're going to have tolerate theocratic governments that despise us).
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It depends on what you mean by "we." If you mean average citizens, that's true but that's because we have fucked up political systems of our own.
You have no power because you'd rather turn a blind eye to the true source of a problem, rather than give up any of your own comfort to address an issue with a broken political system.
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It is possible to hold these views all at the same time:
1) Acknowledge and regret the mistakes and atrocities committed by our forefathers and accept that a lot of these problems have been exacerbated by our own actions
2) Acknowledge the fact that our political system is pretty fucked up and needs to be tweeked
3) Recognize that a significant % of the world's population is made up of religious fanatics that, rightly or wrongly, want to cut my fucking throat
4) Advocate, from a pragmatic point of view, that those people that want to slit my throat and will always want to slit my throat, no matter how many times I hold their hand, look into their eyes and listen to their feelings, should not be allowed to exist in my society, because as fucked up as it is, I still highly value this society.
5) Advocate for social justice in my society, sans Islam.
Believe it or not, these aren't mutually exclusive views. I've reached a point, concerning Islam, of pragmatism. They're fucking crazy, and there's nothing we can do to make the crazy go away, so fuck em.
Bro.... Have you even studied the history? Woman played massive roles in tons of political reforms in Iran before the 1950s. The Tobacco Boycott, the Constitutional Revolution. Mosaddegh was the first to order the unveiling of women in Iran and afforded more freedoms to woman as the eras progressed. Come on man, I know you can read. Do it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ution-era.html
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/b.../chapter1.html
Much like America freeing it's slaves. It didn't actually achieve shit except look pretty on paper. Had Dr. Mosaddegh's advancements not been so violently put down and put the nation at such a MASSIVE disconnect from the West, the Iran of today may be completely and vastly different than the one we've allowed to fester.
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So the US made some questionable foreign policy decisions and thus for the rest of eternity thousands of acts of terrorism all over the world are justified and beyond criticism without the addendum that America is just as bad or worse than all of the Jihadis.
Even better than that is when someone brings up the fucking crusades, which ended over 700 fucking years ago when all manner of fucked up shit was going on all over the world and equates it to things that are happening right now.
Just keep saying it to yourself. We can't judge, every culture is the same or better than ours, we can't judge, if anything bad happened to someone then whatever they are doing is fine because it's all our fault anyway and they have no choice. Kumbaya.
Even better than that is when someone brings up the fucking crusades, which ended over 700 fucking years ago when all manner of fucked up shit was going on all over the world and equates it to things that are happening right now.
Just keep saying it to yourself. We can't judge, every culture is the same or better than ours, we can't judge, if anything bad happened to someone then whatever they are doing is fine because it's all our fault anyway and they have no choice. Kumbaya.
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There's a differences between understanding why something happens and claiming it's justified. I said they (meaning the people of the Middle East, even if they happen to be atheists) are justified in wanting us wiped off the face of the map. That's not the same thing as saying that acts of terrorism are justified (since, of course, the victims are basically never the people really responsible). Given that AND the crazy the power imbalance when it comes to military might, the acts of terrorism, however unjustified,areunderstandable. I can't say that I wouldn't do the same in their shoes, even if I ALSO can't say that I would be right to do so. What's their alternative? Just lay down and take it? Sorry but that isn't going to happen and suggesting that it ought to is just closing your eyes to human nature.
We're the assholes still beating her ass. I'm not justifying the actions, but to look at the effect and be bewildered and confused and claim they are insane is a little more than asinine.
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Right....
How are you gonna logistically pull that off so that the common man get's his share? Give it to the Muslim Brotherhood so they can pass it out to the citizens of Egypt? Sure. How about Hamas, I'm sure if we give them a few billion it will all go to starving children and not into buying Iranian military hardware.
At some point you just have to come to the conclusion that there is a line in the sand and if you are on the wrong side of that line then you will still get your fucking head chopped off, no matter how many times you say 'I'm sorry'.
Well I mean when you look at the reality of the history of countries like say, Iran, most of the organizations that represent the people with the most reason to hate us have also been desperately trying to use diplomatic back channels to normalize relations with us for like fucking decades. This idea that they're all just bloodthirsty monsters is kind of ridiculous.
edit:// also, they'd be perfectly justified using it to buy military hardware. Look at the kind of threat they're under.
Really I wish we could just offer them up the entirety of the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II administrations and just say "we'll look the other way while you butt-rape these warcriminals until they die. Sorry we gave them the keys to power."
But they sent unarmed officers to a murder with the armed suspects still on the scene. Their murder rate may be lower, but it's not zero. If these guys wanted to keep fighting the first officers on the scene would have had to engage in hand to hand combat, flee outright, or be butchered themselves. That's some real forward thinking shit there...sending your law enforcement officers into something resembling a fair fight. But I guess we got lucky this time. The guy decided to mouth off to a camera phone instead of attacking more people.
I'm not sure why this small part of the story is sticking out to me so much. European multiculturalism is a dumpster fire...so much that a guy with a bloody meat cleaver in the street shouting "allah akbar" is still not enough to stop the British Prime Minister from claiming the attack had nothing to do with Islam. Next time his nothing-to-do-with-Islam killers might be like the Tsarnaev brothers who did not stop killing after the first victims and all you have immediately available are a few bobbies and their cute little baton things. I dunno.