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Cinge

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I don't understand how you expect people to make better games if you go ahead and buy the not-great ones anyway.
You go ahead and sit around waiting for "great", I will continue playing a bunch of games that are "just good" but fun and occasionally are "Great". Fun is the only yardstick that should be applied to games imo.

Pretty much how I treat all forms of entertainment.
 

Kriptini

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I don't understand how you expect people to make better games if you go ahead and buy the not-great ones anyway.
This is a very valid point.

But Blade & Soul is still fun, and I need a game to play. =X

You go ahead and sit around waiting for "great", I will continue playing a bunch of games that are "just good" but fun and occasionally are "Great". Fun is the only yardstick that should be applied to games imo.

Pretty much how I treat all forms of entertainment.
Replied before I saw this, I feel exactly the same way.
 

Draegan_sl

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I dunno, paying a 50 bucks for 2 or 3 weeks of fun is OK with me. I spend more money in a few hours getting a couple of drinks with a friend.
 

Voldeth

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I don't understand how you expect people to make better games if you go ahead and buy the not-great ones anyway.
I don't understand how you don't understand that not every gaming experience needs to be the second-coming of MMO Jesus to be worth playing. Do you follow that logic in everything you do? Like, do you refuse to go to a good restaurant because it isn't cuisine greatness? Do you refuse to watch fun movies that will never win an oscar? Or is your failure to comprehend that not everything needs to be great limited entirely to the video game industry?
 

Srathor

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Simple cost vrs time having fun. If I play for 5 hours a day for 30 days before I get bored. How much does that 50 bucks get me?

And this game is amazing at a few things, combat, movement powers, and a heapload of Crouching Tiger Hidden Crackers. It is fun, just not I am going to play for a decade fun.
 

Draegan_sl

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Some people still think any MMO you play should be and has to be played for 40 hours a week for at least 3 years or you're just a casual pleb.
 

zombiewizardhawk

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Yeah I did the master pack and I can easily see myself getting my $135 (fuck you, taxes) out of the game. Playing an assassin at the moment, got up to level 18 today. Only gripe I have so far is all the pvp scrubs who sit in zones 5 levels below them camping or sitting in packs of 8 on respawn points (but taking their costumes off as soon as they go to leave the spawn point camp cause they're trash). Lvl 23 summoner was sitting in one spot camping lvl 15-18s for 45 minutes because their (assumed by me and the few other cerulean in the area) destroyer buddy kept getting destroyed if he didn't catch one of us talking to the npc. Then after the summoner finally left, they were replaced by a 24 kfm. Tried to pvp the summoner and kfm a few times but it's not very fun when you get crit for 80% of your health (summoner was critting me for 800-1k with some move consistently) but your full combo only does 40% of their hps.

Well, one other gripe but it's related to the pvp noobs. The game really shouldn't let you be targeted and killed before your screen loads when you resurrect...
 

Cinge

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Some people still think any MMO you play should be and has to be played for 40 hours a week for at least 3 years or you're just a casual pleb.
Also true. While it would be great to have a game where there is a enough content to keep you buys for years on end never having to stop, I won't hold my breathe. In the last decade or so I treat MMOs like every other game. Play hard at the start, then taper off. Log in on occasions to do things but rotate through a library of games, unless one has a expansion, dlc or content patch then play it a lot until its back to the "maintenance mode"(ie log in randomly to have fun before logging out).

The days of "only playing one MMO" are long gone. Not sure why people even limit themselves like that.
 

Nija

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We complain it isn't as open and lawless as UO.
We complain that it isn't as engrossing as EQ.

Then we fucking buy it anyway and keep on repeating the above things.

What happens if we just stop buying it?

For the record I do not go to any of the local steak houses because I make a better steak for a fraction of the price. However I do not eat enough sandwiches to keep fresh dutch crunch bread around the house, so I will go out for a nice hoagie every now and then.
 

Nija

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I don't understand how you don't understand that not every gaming experience needs to be the second-coming of MMO Jesus to be worth playing.
For the time commitment I would like to make to a MMO, yes, it needs to be at least on par or better than WoW, EQ, and UO.

Things that last weeks to a month are usually single player or limited multiplayer. Diablo 3, Fallout, Dark Souls, etc.

What is the fucking point of a massive multiplayer game if everyone quits in 6 weeks?! What game HAVENT you quit in less than 6 weeks?

Looking at these threads on things like Arche Age, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, Wildstar... It's just shameful. Garbage. I would rather read depositions than play these games.
 

Voldeth

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For the time commitment I would like to make to a MMO, yes, it needs to be at least on par or better than WoW, EQ, and UO.
It's a video game. A source of entertainment. It isn't something that you need to set a time commitment for; It's something that you should be able to enjoy in your free time. The only deciding factor on whether or not it was 'worth it' should be whether or not you could have found something else to do in your free time for a reduced cost. You seem to be operating under the assumption that game studios owe it to the consumer to provide thousands of hours of entertainment and that everyone who plays a game for six weeks is causing the MMO industry to settle for mediocrity. This is blatantly fucking stupid.

In reference to MMOs that I haven't quit in less than 6 weeks, off the top of my head:

- EQ (12 years)
- AO (On & off for 2 years)
- DAOC (4 years)
- Rift (~1.5 years, HK was awesome)
- Wildstar (~6 months)
- Final Fantasy XIV (on and off for 2 years)
- WoW - (4 years)

Of course a significant part of that fun is that I play with others and we don't spend our entire time talking about how 'IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF EAST COMMONLANDS WE HAD TRUE IMMERSION' and instead, you know, play the game. You should try that and see if it works for you too.
 

Cinge

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We complain it isn't as open and lawless as UO.
We complain that it isn't as engrossing as EQ.
Who's "we"? Sure as shit isn't me. Maybe you mean the tards who only sit in pantheon/eqnext threads who can't seem to move on 1999 at all.

I'm entertained and I've had plenty of games that match both those things you said. You keep waiting for your comparison, I'll keep enjoying games for years.

What is the fucking point of a massive multiplayer game if everyone quits in 6 weeks?! What game HAVENT you quit in less than 6 weeks?
Sounds like the problem is you. I don't think I have a single mmo that has lasted under 6 weeks, that I played at launch. Reason being I can almost always test them before launch and if I like it, I easily get beyond 6 weeks out of them. And I can only think of one mmo that I tried that I didn't like and never played, and that was the original launch of FFXIV. If a MMO doesn't attract me enough to even test before buying/playing, I wont bother at all.

You should stop treating MMOs like a marriage. You are not forced to play one and only one for long duration.
 

Nija

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- Wildstar (~6 months)
I'm honestly impressed that you played Wildstar for 6 months. If you haven't already, you should sign up with 23andme. Better yet, I would see if the military has a similar program. I'm sure they could benefit from figuring out why your pain tolerance is so high.
 

TheYanger

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It's a video game. A source of entertainment. It isn't something that you need to set a time commitment for; It's something that you should be able to enjoy in your free time. The only deciding factor on whether or not it was 'worth it' should be whether or not you could have found something else to do in your free time for a reduced cost. You seem to be operating under the assumption that game studios owe it to the consumer to provide thousands of hours of entertainment and that everyone who plays a game for six weeks is causing the MMO industry to settle for mediocrity. This is blatantly fucking stupid.

In reference to MMOs that I haven't quit in less than 6 weeks, off the top of my head:

- EQ (12 years)
- AO (On & off for 2 years)
- DAOC (4 years)
- Rift (~1.5 years, HK was awesome)
- Wildstar (~6 months)
- Final Fantasy XIV (on and off for 2 years)
- WoW - (4 years)

Of course a significant part of that fun is that I play with others and we don't spend our entire time talking about how 'IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF EAST COMMONLANDS WE HAD TRUE IMMERSION' and instead, you know, play the game. You should try that and see if it works for you too.
C'mon vold, you quit WS in like 3 months tops :p
 

Kriptini

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How was the past beta weekened? I was playing the new content in FFXIV the whole time so I skipped this one.
 

Pyros

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There wasn't anything new, other than euro servers. Think it's still up for a few hours too. There probably won't be anything new until release, so I haven't been playing the weekends, just waiting for release. I checked the ping difference on EU and it was pretty noticeable on KFM, but yeah other than that I spent like a couple of hours in the char creation making final versions of my chars and then logged out.
 

Voldeth

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C'mon vold, you quit WS in like 3 months tops :p
Why do you have to go calling me out like that, I was making a point god dammit!

You should totally come play some BNS with us. I'd kill for some people interested in playing the caster classes.
 

Cinge

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It's too bad warlock wont be in at launch. I'd probably do that as a alt instead of summoner. Some reason forcemaster doesn't interest me at all.