Buying a car?

As an s2000 owner I highly recommend one. No mechanical issues and it is worth more than I paid for it 18 mos ago.

If I could find a lotus in my area that I was interested in I would scoop that bitch up so fast. Le sigh.

BMW's achilles heel seems to be their rod bearings. (At least in their M designated cars) I've heard s2k's have this issue as well (another car I would seriously consider) but in engines with 8k+ redlines it's to be expected.

E46 M3's have 2 major flaws. 1-their subframe is shit and if you're a clutch dumper you're goin to tear something. Many weld/epoxy plates to reinforce the area. $1,500 2-their variable cam timing (vanos) has a hub gear that is known to sheer a tab dangerously close to the timing chain. There are aftermarket parts that permanently address this. $700

Beyond these, the car is pretty solid. Mechanical steering ftw. It does require some maintenance that can be cheap if you're a DIY kinda guy. The community and vendor support on the platform is second to none IMO.

As a previous E46 M3 owner for 8 years, I'm admittedly a bit biased, but the M3 as a daily driver is the fucking win. Few cars handle and drive as well as that car while also being able to seat 5 and move a lot of shit with the folding seats

Grim covered the issues quite well and yes, if you are DIYer, the maintenance isn't bad. Only con of course is that the newest E46 M3 you can get is already 7 years old

The midlife crisis car I'm hoping to purchase next year.



Dodge 2014 Challenger with retro shaker hood.

spend the time to find an actual old one. that way when the appeal falls off, you can sell it and get your money back. big american cars are cool, but losing 20-30k for cool sucks

I never understood the point of paying $100k for a car with the interior of a $25k car. 580 hp is great except you can't use them on the roads, you can't track that big heavy bitch and be competitive, and trying to use it in a drag race will get destroyed by a car set up for drag racing. So what the fuck is the point? If you just want a monster car, get a GTR. If you want a sleeper, a camaro isn't the way to do it. I just don't see the appeal. Horrible ergonomics, bad visibility and so-so driving characteristic. Wheeeee!

No shit. There are about a billion other cars I would buy at the $95k pricepoint! Last on the list would be that piece of shit.

GTR, 911, M5, etc.. the list goes on.

heh, just agreed to buy a new truck from a leasing company, and it shows me how fucked up the car dealership industry really is. I've often heard of people bragging about buying a car for "invoice", or doing cartwheels because they bought slightly under it. We were approached by this leasing company last year when we were buying a new Ford cube van, and no traditional dealership could even get within 10% of their pricing, because apparently they are whores and take a bunch of discounts and rebates available to them as ostensibly a leasing company and just pass it along to the customer (they don't have a traditional lot/dealership). For this new service van, the prices work out like this:

MSRP: $37,860

Invoice: $33,896

Final Price: $25,571

Because these guys don't incur the costs of running a traditional dealership and this "sale" took the salesman all of five minutes time, they can sell ridiculously cheap compared to dealerships. The entire dealership industry is such a giant scam, it's really unfortunate that it's become entrenched the way it has. There's no reason why the average person shouldn't be able to just buy a car online like they can anything else, and completely eliminate the dealership from the equation. That's basically what I did, I just printed out the GM configurator, emailed it to the salesman, and an hour later had the above quote.

The only catch with the above pricing is that we have to "rent" the truck for 6 months from them before we buy it out, otherwise GM will get all snippy with them. But they just apply the rent paid to the cost of the vehicle, so if anything it lets us defer about a third of the cost for 6 months. Wee.

Yeah, I'm sure it's the same here. And you know what? 20 years ago, let alone 70 years ago, that probably made good sense. It really doesn't today.

MY DEALER DOESN'T EVEN TAKE ME OUT TO DINNER BEFORE HE FUCKS ME

Soygen_sl said:

It makes zero sense today. I don't know if you've been following the whole Tesla drama over direct sales, but the car dealerships have some pretty powerful lobbies and they are trying to fuck guys like Tesla Motors, because they are undermining their shitty dealership infrastructure.

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Yeah, Tesla currently can't even sell vehicles in Texas and a few other states because of how stringent the laws are. Shits ridiculous.

Invoice pricing and all that crap is well...crap.

When I got my van no one would give me any more than 6-7k off MSRP (3kish below invoice) - dealer about 1.5 hours away had on their site 9k off, told local dealer and they told me they could not and would not match it because they are lieing - I got it for about 11k off MSRP by the time we ended- my local dealer called me a week or two later as a follow up, now offering 7k off and I was like "I bought one" - "Really how much... no, what? they are going to get in trouble from nissan!" sure dude- whatever. Cars are stupid prices they need to fix that...or consumers need to stop accepting it... like Toyota and their no negotiation of prices, MSRP is how it is..blah

So I suck at linking pictures. Yahoo(Advertisements) has pictures of the 2015 Mustang. Do not like the "New" European look. The main reason they will sell it is due to finally putting an independent rear suspension on it. They honestly could have done it with the current style but I guess they had to have added appeal just in case the new style did not work. I prefer my 2013 design over the new design, though having an IRS would certainly have been real nice.