Casual Rerolled WoW guild - Hyjal Horde

Kreugen · Jan 26, 2015

You have to go to 3 during frenzy because the dot doesn't drop off in time. You do 2 until then basically to conserve healer mana & avoid early spike deaths.

Needless · Jan 26, 2015

Kreugen_sl said:
You have to go to 3 during frenzy because the dot doesn't drop off in time. You do 2 until then basically to conserve healer mana.

Oh derp, thats what i thought lol
Oddly our group still does and always did 3 the entire time, but i guess it's even more of a strain on the healers in the end but i didn't really notice it. I'm always oom by the end anyway

definitely a rough fight on the healers though!

Draegan_sl · Jan 26, 2015

Finished Frost Ridge and hit level 93. I always hate starting a new zone. It always feels like starting over to me.

Lodi · Jan 26, 2015

Draegan_sl said:
Finished Frost Ridge and hit level 93. I always hate starting a new zone. It always feels like starting over to me.

I actually enjoyed that zone. I'm probably biased though as I enjoy snow areas. The most painful zone was Nagrand, I felt like I was doing all those old Nagrand quests again(Nessingwary, etc). It was like replaying TBC (that zone barely changed, aside from the Throne of the Elements).

Tenks · Jan 26, 2015

I don't really care for Frost Ridge but I do like Taldorand Gorgrund. I hate Spires.

Noodleface · Jan 26, 2015

The only good thing about Nagrand is the gear. And using the vehicles

Kreugen · Jan 26, 2015

Nagrand even feels like BC era questing because its possible to get 20+ quests in your log at once.

Kaige · Jan 26, 2015

I grab the Ravenmother Offerings in Spires for some rest experience. I barely touch anything in Gorgrond, but I spend a fuckload of time in Talador, especially doing all the quests leading up to the followers like Soulbinder Tuulani.

alavaz · Jan 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
Basically the Butcher problem was a matter of raw healing throughput. Butcher put out 140-150k DPS to the raid, but we were only doing 125k or so HPS. I don't think it was a matter of healing incorrectly though, just a gear check we weren't hitting. I checked the debuff graphs and nobody ever got above 2 stacks, so it wasn't a communication problem between me and Gurga. Overall DPS was sufficient, even if it wasn't ideal bringing someone who was doing half what we expect/require on heroic. Nothing wrong with the tanking either. Only way to have killed it Saturday would have been to get a 4th healer and prune out any dps not doing 20k+.

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I created a HM Normal for Wednesday this week. Need to try and get my priest some gear or I will never be caught up enough to do HM Heroic or BRF Normal/Heroic. Hopefully we will still do a proper Tues night heroic too, it really sucked going 6/7H and 1/7H last week. Still using 655 weapons on both dps going into the next tier is embarrassing at this point.

Did anyone grab logs? I believe we had 4 healers on the last 2 attempts. Second to last was a 4% wipe and though I can't say for sure without logs, I think it was just because there wasn't enough healing going to the cleave group who stepped out since they got trucked during the swap right at the end.

Vorph · Jan 26, 2015

Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft

All 3 attempts I was there for had 3 healers. Mybike left when the druid came in.

alavaz · Jan 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft

All 3 attempts I was there for had 3 healers. Mybike left when the druid came in.

Yeah those were the attempts we had before we cleared to twins, then we pugged two more (both druids?) and had a couple of close attempts.

At least I think. I swear we had a couple with 4 healers.

edit: Looking at the time stamps, it looks like 2x butcher, 1x twins, 1x butcher. I think we had two more with 4 healers and then called it.

taebin · Jan 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
Overall DPS was sufficient, even if it wasn't ideal bringing someone who was doing half what we expect/require on heroic. Nothing wrong with the tanking either. Only way to have killed it Saturday would have been to get a 4th healer and prune out any dps not doing 20k+.

I created a HM Normal for Wednesday this week. Need to try and get my priest some gear or I will never be caught up enough to do HM Heroic or BRF Normal/Heroic. Hopefully we will still do a proper Tues night heroic too, it really sucked going 6/7H and 1/7H last week. Still using 655 weapons on both dps going into the next tier is embarrassing at this point.

I assume you mean me. I've been gearing for tanking, was told to dps since Poid was there. Pretty fun to try and DPS with 610's 2h'ers and dungeon heroic blues. Gladiator spec I was pulling 15k, which was good enough I suppose? I was expecting a normal run since that was what you guys had been doing.

Similar to your priest, I need HM normal to actually pull my weight in heroic. Was the first time in HM outside LFR, and even that's only been 2 weeks worth. Shrug.

Tenks · Jan 26, 2015

According to my Skada I don't remember ever seeing you put in 15k. I believe on Butcher it was more like 12k.

Noodleface · Jan 26, 2015

Unfortunately the way it's setup we can't have more than 2 tanks, and there isn't a need anyways. I didn't know that you were protection prior to the raid, but I tried to fit you in the best we could - thankfully warriors at least get glad stance.

For normal it doesn't matter what DPS you do really, but for heroic there are a few hard DPS checks - butcher being one of them - where you need to pull 20k at least, and 22k+ ideally. Thankfully for us, we have a few dudes in the guild that pull 28-30k on average and are able to buffer the meters a bit.

Ao- · Jan 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
Basically the Butcher problem was a matter of raw healing throughput. Butcher put out 140-150k DPS to the raid, but we were only doing 125k or so HPS. I don't think it was a matter of healing incorrectly though, just a gear check we weren't hitting. I checked the debuff graphs and nobody ever got above 2 stacks, so it wasn't a communication problem between me and Gurga. Overall DPS was sufficient, even if it wasn't ideal bringing someone who was doing half what we expect/require on heroic. Nothing wrong with the tanking either. Only way to have killed it Saturday would have been to get a 4th healer and prune out any dps not doing 20k+.

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I created a HM Normal for Wednesday this week. Need to try and get my priest some gear or I will never be caught up enough to do HM Heroic or BRF Normal/Heroic. Hopefully we will still do a proper Tues night heroic too, it really sucked going 6/7H and 1/7H last week. Still using 655 weapons on both dps going into the next tier is embarrassing at this point.

I'm in for wednesday night. I might be bit late depending on the start time, but I can bring either priest (shitty shadow or decent holy) or rogue (crappy combat or good Assassination).

Needless_sl said:
Have you guys tried swapping out at 3 stacks? Thats how i've always done it, i'd imagine doing 2 stacks during his frenzy must be chaotic as hell lol

We normally do 2 stacks until enrage then 3 stacks.

Vorph · Jan 26, 2015

taebin_sl said:
I assume you mean me. I've been gearing for tanking, was told to dps since Poid was there. Pretty fun to try and DPS with 610's 2h'ers and dungeon heroic blues. Gladiator spec I was pulling 15k, which was good enough I suppose? I was expecting a normal run since that was what you guys had been doing.

Similar to your priest, I need HM normal to actually pull my weight in heroic. Was the first time in HM outside LFR, and even that's only been 2 weeks worth. Shrug.

Nothing personal, H-Butcher just has a strict dps requirement to beat the fight before enrage (and more importantly, before all the healers go oom).

taebin · Jan 26, 2015

Tenks_sl said:
According to my Skada I don't remember ever seeing you put in 15k. I believe on Butcher it was more like 12k.

The 15k must have been another fight, Bracken or Twins or something. Once I switched to Glad, I see 13.3k.

Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft

But honestly, if 20k is the cut off, you were below it on 2 of the 3 attempts.

Vorph_sl said:
Nothing personal, H-Butcher just has a strict dps requirement to beat the fight before enrage (and more importantly, before all the healers go oom).

Yep, no offense taken. If it's better to sit out, no problem. Like I said, was first go through in normal or heroic HM, and only done LFR twice. Think ilvl was like 638 w/ prot gear.

Noodleface · Jan 28, 2015

I talked to Poid a bit to get a clear idea of what he wants to do in BRF. He still wants to tank as he's been gearing up for it and enjoying it, so what I'm thinking is to have you roll glad stance and dps with being a backup tank. He's also got his druid for backup healing. Hopefully that works. You can also just go straight up DPS if you don't like that.

Tenks · Jan 28, 2015

Like an idiot I scheduled my dog's vet appointment at 11:45 on Saturday. So I'm out this week guys.

taebin · Jan 28, 2015

Noodlemod_sl said:
I talked to Poid a bit to get a clear idea of what he wants to do in BRF. He still wants to tank as he's been gearing up for it and enjoying it, so what I'm thinking is to have you roll glad stance and dps with being a backup tank. He's also got his druid for backup healing. Hopefully that works. You can also just go straight up DPS if you don't like that.

That's fine Noodle. Been in Ashran so should have 660 pvp wpnz for Arms/Fury.

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