Casual Rerolled WoW guild - Hyjal Horde

As a tank how do I analyze my log? How do me and Krassus compare for instance ?

Amycus_sl said:

I admittedly don't know what to change to get higher percentile, other than maybe I was refreshing my dots a smidge early.

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You're Morddryn, right?

As long as you refresh them in the last 30% of their duration there's no dps lost or mana wasted. On single target fights, your DoT uptimes look good, with UA being the only one that appears to ever fall off entirely. On Twins it's possible to keep 99% uptime of all three DoTs on both ogres, that's something to work on (especially Agony). Use nameplates/boss frames that show debuffs and a /targetlastenemy macro if you have trouble keeping track of their durations. You did real good with two target uptimes on Brackenspore, just need to apply the same tactics to twins while dodging flames and other shit. Tectus is similar, at least until you get to the point where there's 5+ targets and Seed comes out.

[P.S. On normal in particular, it really is ideal to kill Tectus, then both shards, then 8 motes at once. There's more shit on the ground, but no one's going to die to running through crystals that came from motes, and the biggest concern for melee is getting knocked back and losing dps because of not being able to dodge all the pillars.]

Cad_sl said:

If you want to look at mine and give any tips, it's welcome.

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Mage is a little hard to judge, being pretty much all nukes, and because AMR doesn't tell me stuff like when Frozen Orb is active, whether you had one stack of Brain Freeze or two during times where the buff was active for a very long time without being consumed, ditto for Fingers of Frost, what your exact opening sequence was, etc. I can say from looking at Butcher that you appear to be doing things correctly. You extended Icy Veins with Ice Lances so that your Mirror Images got the full benefit of it. I only see 1 FFB that looks like it was hard cast (should be 0). So you know what you're doing, you just need to work on doing the same things on fights that require running around a lot. (Edit: I'm not sure about Water Jet, but it looks like you aren't consuming all charges of FoF, then using Jet and chaining two FBs back to back, followed immediately by an Ice Lance. Could just be AMR's graph being inaccurate though.)

I'd also advise changing talents to suit the fight. Ice Nova, Mirror Images and Thermal Void are great for single target fights, but using Frost Bomb and Prismatic Crystal should boost your dps on Brackenspore, Tectus, and Twins (Rune of Power vs. Incantor's Flow is a judgement call based on the movement of the fight). Probably best to stick with Ice Nova on Imperator, because that fight is all about using burst damage on adds--especially the Reaver--once you are dodging everything. Imperator himself is just a slow steady burn.

Noodleface_sl said:

As a tank how do I analyze my log? How do me and Krassus compare for instance ?

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Uptimes, cooldown usage, look at what you took damage from, check overhealing on Death Strike, etc.

A big red flag I see immediately is that you're barely using Defile at all and it's one of the best spells DKs have. That's about 10% of your dps lost, not to mention the -10% damage taken buff it gives. On normal I would use it as part of the pull and the moment it comes off cooldown. The only exceptions being times like Tectus splits, Ko'ragh adds, Butcher about to go charge the ranged, Bracken about to be dragged to a new shroom, etc.

Honestly, normal is pretty much all about dps at this point. You know the fights, the positioning, when spikes are going to come, etc. As long as the healers don't start crying, I would try to put out as much dps as possible. Favor Blood Boils over Death Strikes unless you're really getting pounded, shoot for 40% uptime on Defile and 100% uptime on Soul Reaper under 35% boss hp.

One last thing regarding talents and glyphs: Plaguebearer is pointless for Blood. You apply your diseases on the pull and then Blood Boil will keep them active for the remainder of the fight. Switch that to Plague Leech and glyph Outbreak instead of DRW and you get two runes every 25 seconds for the cost of 30 runic power (0 runic power on fights with adds, because you use boil to put the DoTs back up instead of using Outbreak). Also, consider switching the AMS glyph to regenerative magic instead, at least on certain fights. Being able to use it up to twice as often can be more beneficial that absorbing 100% of the damage, especially on fights like Tectus and Twins.

Yeah that's me. The twins fight to be honest(and this is super nooby but oh well) I only found out recently that damaging both of them was actually a dps increase. I thought the damage was just shared. So yeah, I have to work on that lol. Thanks for the tips!

I'll take any criticism and advice. I'm sure I'm doing plenty wrong and having a shit weapon is barely to blame.

Soygen_sl said:

I'm always open to criticism and advice. I definitely could use some help on the higher movement stuff.

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Destruction is pretty hard to do a post mortem on without watching a full replay on warcraftlogs. All you can really do is check immolate uptime, ballpark the number of chaos bolts based on the length of the fight, check shadowburn usage on adds, etc.

Kargath - Immo uptime slightly low. Maybe a few too many incinerates and too few chaos bolts. Rest looks good.
Butcher - Looks good.
Brackenspore - Work on immo uptimes on Bracken and Flesh-Eater. Shadowburn on adds good, as does Havoc usage.
Tectus - Use Fire and Brimstone on 5+ targets, use Rain of Fire more, immolate all teh things. Even though part of the fight is against a lot of targets, Terrorguard is still better over the whole duration. Bug Noodle to kill the motes all at once.
Twins - Do your normal rotation on one ogre, but shoot for 90+% immolate uptime on both. Use Havoc on cooldown, delaying only if they are apart because of WW or charge.
Ko'ragh - Looks good overall. If you want to pad dps, use F&B and Shadowburn on the adds (also if they aren't dying really fast).

Thanks for the analysis.

I agree on Defile. The cooldown is so long on it that I often forget to use it and usually favor Blood boil over it when it is a free cast. I'll have to actively work on using it. I have to examine my glyphs, I haven't even looked at them since I hit 100, so they're probably all over the place.

Any luck with that mythic run? Sorry I couldnt join.. Our stupid soccer league likes to schedule late night games for the "adult" division.

Lenaldo_sl said:

Any luck with that mythic run? Sorry I couldnt join.. Our stupid soccer league likes to schedule late night games for the "adult" division.

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We need a handful of more people. Hist is going to start pugging on Hyjal Tues night for the heroic to try and get static people to raid with us on Sunday also.

Was a good week though, we got some really cool and good xfers along with a new priest and 667 hunter. Working on another hunter from last night as well who was 664 as well as a holy priest who wants to xfer that does heroics with us (he has a nasty Spriest spec too).

I need to find a WA for my rogue to countdown when Vanish and Shadow Dance are coming off cooldown. I don't want it there all the time with a 1m long progress bar for its countdown just like an alert when it is 10s or so coming off CD. Is that possible? I have to assume yes since the tool seems so flexible. I also need to modify my WA to give me my anticipation stacks instead of just how many combos I have on the target. Since I have no clue if I need to chain finishers or not since I can have effectively anywhere from 5-10 combo points on a target and my WA only reports the 5.

Clique is very necessary to get into heroics for this guild

(I'm joking~~)

Tenks_sl said:

Clique is very necessary to get into heroics for this guild

(I'm joking~~)

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You and Eyushua are like my forever bae bros, I'm glad were at least doing something in WoW finally. Saturday quickly turned into the dads and ex guildies run crew and were owning.

The Saturday night raid? That is the worst raid time for me I doubt I'll ever be able to make it. Got to give my real life bae some attention after slathering my WoW baes with my affection all week.

Saturday morning raids have been fun so far. Perfect time for me!

Clique or some other form of mouseover casting is pretty much required to play a healer at the raid level, otherwise you're pressing an extra button for most of your casts and are probably like a half second slower than all the other healers.

Heck I use clique just to black arrow/serpent sting things on the boss frame without needing to change targets. BA always seems to come up right when you switch to some wimpy add.

Actually have people bitch about "seeing arrows flying to the boss" during an add burn. I don't bother to explain any more.

I'm sure clique is easier to use but you can make macros for your skills so if you press it with a modifier like CTRL it will apply to your mouse-over or focus target instead of your selected target

Vorph_sl said:

(I've had people get offended at being "called out" for analyzing their logs before so I don't do it uninvited anymore.)

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Something about this makes my blood boil. What kind of fucking inbred baddie would get offended at someone reviewing their log? Either they're fucking bad andoffended that someone is trying to help themor they're a superstar and mad that someone is trying to figure out how they're so good? What the fuck, I hate this type of person instantly now.