Feanor
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Censorship and Art
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Lithose
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It's not important to me, fighting this cancer ripping art, literature and now STEM apart is. The religious cooks were banished from a lot of the fields I love, I'm now seeking to do the same to these post modernist idiots, who are even worse ideologically.
Anyway, I do actually have to get back to work now. Not that it hasn't been a lot of fun watching you make my argument by denying things are art, despite saying art is subjective, and thereby advocating there are standards...But there are only so many posts where that would be amusing. And I really came in here to bag on Lend mostly, since his post was truly ironic.
Feanor
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Well I agree that postmodern people, the sjws, the subjectivists taking their shit to unnatural extremes, as I have said now for the third or fourth time, are bad. Really really bad. Harmful to man. So why are we arguing?
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Sentagur
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There is social pressure to say that you find certain things attractive or desirable.
There was a study or article which i cant find any more, people were asked about their taste in coffee and majority said they liked dark roast while in blind tests it turns out they didnt like dark roast most of the time.
I think that plays a role in todays modern art.
There was a study or article which i cant find any more, people were asked about their taste in coffee and majority said they liked dark roast while in blind tests it turns out they didnt like dark roast most of the time.
I think that plays a role in todays modern art.
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Phazael
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I would like to add that music is actually governed entirely by objective mathematics. Chords exist entirely because of the physics of how overtones work, which also differentiate how individual noises sound (why A440 on a trombone sounds different from A440 on an oboe, for example). Even atonal bullshit peddled by post modernists is governed by the interactions of these overtones. The way we interpret the overtone dissonances of minor cord structures vs major ones, the nature of tempo's association with human pulse rates, and the impact of dynamics (changes in volume) are a factor of our subjective minds interpreting the noise, of course. But the base core concepts of all music is a function of mathematical properties of sound waves, which means tonal scales are likely universal and definitely not subjective.
In my opinion, this is probably why post modernism has had the least amount of success trying to poison music as a medium. On an instinctual level, even average people (and in some cases animals) recognize that something has to have a rhythmic pattern and obey certain tonal structures to be considered music, as opposed to just random noise. Unlike painting, writing, or sculpture, a reductive approach does not change the objective core of the medium, so there is no bullshit wiggle room for art snobs to exploit to make these ridiculous arguments of relativism. Its why music is probably the single purest form of art to ever exist.
In my opinion, this is probably why post modernism has had the least amount of success trying to poison music as a medium. On an instinctual level, even average people (and in some cases animals) recognize that something has to have a rhythmic pattern and obey certain tonal structures to be considered music, as opposed to just random noise. Unlike painting, writing, or sculpture, a reductive approach does not change the objective core of the medium, so there is no bullshit wiggle room for art snobs to exploit to make these ridiculous arguments of relativism. Its why music is probably the single purest form of art to ever exist.
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Phazael
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You have a hard-on for post modernism and considering art to be entirely subjective. That line of thinking is not only stupid, its dangerous and leads to circle jerks of elitists sucking each other off leading the art community.
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It doesn't matter what you wish. They will be remembered for what they have produced, and for what their work says about us, regardless if you approve or not.
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Tanoomba
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Is there such thing as performance art? If not, why not? If so, why doesn't Sulkowicz's work qualify? Sounds like you're offering up a subjective interpretation as objective, something you seemed staunchly against.
(Please don't take this as a challenge, I actually really like your posts in this thread as we share very similar views for the most part.)
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Tanoomba
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You're half right.
Yes, there exists modern art that intentionally abstains from what we could consider "objective beauty". No, it's not created so people in a special club can circle jerk about how enlightened they are. Art doesn't have to be beautiful. It does not have to be created with the purpose of inspiring awe due to its aesthetic appeal. You're taking this altogether inoffensive fact and trying to make it something personal. You're literally personally attacking people for not seeing art the same way you do, which is far more pretentious than the "fart-sniffers" you're so irrationally angry at.
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Tanoomba
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Yes, anything CAN be art, if the circumstances are right. But that DOESN'T mean that the only requirement for something to be art is for anyone anywhere to call it "art". If you shit in a plate and call it art, it's not art. If a career artist who spent decades studying art, experimenting with art, learning and developing classical skills in order to learn more about himself as an artist, and who has something to say that he believes can best be expressed by shitting in a plate, then yes, that would be art. This is why even though you could reproduce that god-awful painting if you tried hard enough, you would not be able to sell it for 80 million dollars. Clearly this bugs the shit out of you and you feel you need to speak out against it. The art community doesn't care and will not be deterred, though, so good luck with that.
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