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Vvoid_sl said:
but not the shitfest that Marvel and DC have made of things for the past few decades where every year or two there is some giant crossover
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This reminds me, I am currently readingMarvel Comics: The Untold Storyand am just at the 90's part when the industry fell apart with the special covers and shit.

Basically I wanted to know if any of our insider types have an opinion on the accuracy of the book. It feels like it's doing a great job of staying impartial, especially when it comes to the Jack Kirby/Stan Lee disagreements. Maybe a littletooimpartial in fact. I don't know anything about the situation, but it's can't be as straightforwardly 50/50 as the book makes it seem. There's no effort here to pick sides, and it made me curious.

It sounds like Kirby sort of went off the deep end as he got older. Started claiming he not only created all those characters himself, but did all the writing etc himself even. Some of it has a small basis it seems(Spider-Man and the earlier "Silver Spider" character he made with Joe Simon), but the way he frames it just comes off as a delusional old man trying to take full credit for things he sometimes was only tangentially involved in.
 
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a contrast imo to invincible would be irredeemable,Irredeemable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. where invincible is a light hearted but cool take on the whole super hero genre and in a sense "supermanish", iredeemable is basically, "what if superman snapped". Also iredeemable finished at 37issues a few months ago, while invincible is still ongoing, which you can still read of course, i just think it's nice that a story wraps up.
 
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Irredeemable finished a year and a half ago. And yeah it is fucking awesome. I'd say after taking in some Invincible to broaden your Superhero horizons Irredeemable is the perfect next thing to really let you see what can be done with the genre. Even it's partner seriesIncorruptableis pretty good. Basically the flipside, villain sees the world is going to shit, decides to be a good guy and protect his city from the guy in Irredeemable and the general breakdown of society that come with it.

Sort of in the same vein as Irredeemable, Heroes can be awful etc, isThe Boys.
 
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i never did get into incorruptable, my nephew has the, maybe i'll borrow something from him for once when i go back up to xmas. (i got him the irredeemable omnibus and he liked it so much he got incorruptable). but Gnomedolf do you want recommendations for short comic stories (6issues) that conclude or are you like trying to get into like the whole "x-men" mythos, and try to pick it from there? cuz the shortest issue story that i think packs a lot of punch would be we3
We3 Deluxe Edition: Grant Morrison, Frank Quitely: 9781401230678: Amazon.com: Books, actually i don't have my copy anymore(girl took it)... i literally had a girl cry when she came over during tv night... i think the convo was about where original ideas in tv spawn from (this was when lost was still "good" and heroes s1 was showing), and i said comics can do just about the same.

but anyway there are lots of good short 6issue one and done deals and there are some good and bad storylines. for instance all new xmen i finally got into like after a year... but xmen legacy is complete dogshit
 
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I'm trying to catch up on Atomic Robo lately and it makes me really bummed out that I ever slacked off. Pretty sure this is the most fun book out there in the last few years. Fun adventures and Robo is just such an awesome and funny character. Brian Clevinger just has outstanding comic comic timing. He paces and places his jokes so well they just always seem to score.

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Plus he has adventures and run ins with great historical figures from Tesla(his creator) to Stephen Hawking and HP Lovecraft.
 
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with the last DC reboot (New 52) i decided to finally give it a start and checked their comics. I've always been a Marvel guy, so i dont know much about them except what you guys told me, and what i read on the wiki and my personal opinion is.....what the fuck is this shit ?

i'm currently reading Superman, JL, WW Batman and JLA....and these are supposed to be their top tier comics? Superman is like an arrogant asshole, WW is one step away from becoming a berserker, the JL is a conglomerate of clowns and disjoined storylines. Batman instead is like the nice guy in your neighborhood

i understand changing chracters a bit, but really.....

Hell, i've even downloaded the new SM/WW comic revolving around their lovestory because i personally think it can be an interesting storyline. In a universe were prejudice, fear and untrust is widespread along all superbeing (and not only mutants like in Marvel) having the 2 most powerful beings on earth romantically involve can couse panic. As batman told them, ppl will be gunning for them

what we got so far is quintessence of the lonely nerd fantasy wetdream, with the charming alpha male beating the crap out of everything and the hot princess ready to suck his dick

i thought Marvel was bad, but DC looks even worse
 
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you can try forever evil, the first 3 issues aren't bad, i never get the "tie-in's" to these megastory lines since 90% of the tie-ins suck imo so i just don't bother, meaning i've only read the forever evil 1,2,3 it's not bad so far (but it's not great either)

if you want the pre-quel story to forever evil

it's called trinity war, the way your reading you can probably just use the search terms "trinity war", the collection comes out in march

this is the main reading list (i didn't include the tie ins)

Justice League #22
Justice League of America #6
Justice League Dark #22
Justice League of America #7
Justice League Dark #23
Justice League #23

the only new 52 series i follow is Stormwatch, and that's only because it's The Authority from wildstorm(WS was absorbed into DC), and even then i fucking give up, it was good then they just fucked it up in the last few issues.

i don't follow all the bs associated with DC, apparently theres some writer/artist crap going on, when i do pick up an issue... stories are crap. Hell no one even cares batman's kid died, he has like 5 fucking replace able robins on call.
 
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you're not confused that's trinity war... but um that was the uh twist at the end... since you kinda spoiled it.. trinity war was supposed to be about the 3 evils? or something with pandora's box and 2 other evil shits, or sins. but nope the trinity was actually earth 3 then it leads to forever evil.
 
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meh, maybe i did not give the attention it deserved, but the whole thing seems a clusterfuck of confusion and an elaborated thing to push ppl to buy comics from series they normally dont buy

at least when Marvel does a crossover they make a miniserie as the backbone of the storyline, while the regular comics of the various characters revolve around it. You could read just them and understand the story

with this crossover, if you just read the JL (which is supposed to be the main storyline leading to this crossover) you miss half the stuff. I still dont know what the fuck happened to the JL because the whole thing is JLDark which i have not read
 
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no you have a very valid point, most cross overs are

infinity guantlet 1-6

tie-in's
avengers 22-25
xmen 33-35
etc...

trinity war is all over the place, especially when they "force" you to get shitty comics like justic league dark.


but that's me i hate tie in's as opposed to my nephew i just got off the phone with him and he likes the infinity tie-ins as much as infinity (thunderbolts) but i suspect he's really just a deadpool fan.
 
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so, you telling me this way to making crossovers is the norm for DC ? jesus fuck

how is infinity btw ? i have not started it yet. waiting for it to finish and read it all in one go

did they ruin Thanos ?

EDIT - and talking about JL Dark, is Constantine worth reading ? in JL Zatanna makes tons of reference to him as being some badass antihero jerk

a kind of character i usually like
 
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i'm not a dc guy so i really don't know why it's done like this, forever evil is done the "usual way"

infinity is really... vast

i'm sure by now you know it's about a war... you have it on all fronts, the war at school, the war on earth, the war on the moon and the war across galaxies, have you read avengers, (the newest vol) yet? if you haven't read infinity reading avengers will give you a heads up on what's happening, cuz they re-re-introduce new and different versions of characters that if you just get into infinity, you'll be lost.
 
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i dont follow comics like i used to but i know enought of Marvel to never get completely lost

guess i'll wait for when we have a full list of tie-in comics to see what i have to read
 
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The only good thing DC has done lately is Injustice... and Black Adam. Forever Evil has been vaguely passable from what I've seen, but the whole nu52 shit has just turned me off entirely.
 
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