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Lambourne · Aug 26, 2020

If you only do gaming, intel is still competitive. There is very little point in going beyond the i5 range though, more cores won't do anything for you there. No point in getting an expensive CPU when you can get equivalent gaming performance out of a sub $200 10400F. Even an i3-10320 comes within 5% of the FPS of some of these $400+ CPUs at 1080p. Zero difference at 4k, all GPU bound there. I'd say go cheap on CPU and splurge on GPU, moving up a tier in GPU is a better use of your money.

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

Argarth · Aug 26, 2020

Lambourne said:
If you only do gaming, intel is still competitive. There is very little point in going beyond the i5 range though, more cores won't do anything for you there. No point in getting an expensive CPU when you can get equivalent gaming performance out of a sub $200 10400F. Even an i3-10320 comes within 5% of the FPS of some of these $400+ CPUs at 1080p. Zero difference at 4k, all GPU bound there. I'd say go cheap on CPU and splurge on GPU, moving up a tier in GPU is a better use of your money.

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

That's not a good review for someone thinking of building a new system like R Ratama . It was tested on a Z490 MB and that's a waste of money for a locked CPU. An appropriately priced MB would limit it to 2666 Mhz memory, no upgrade path, and then it won't perform as well as an equivalently priced Ryzen, even in gaming.

He should check the Hardware Unboxed or Gamer's Nexus reviews instead for this and other similar CPUs.

Xexx · Aug 26, 2020

Deebo · Aug 26, 2020

I found an open box B550 Aorus master for $223 at microcenter, I have it reserved and im about 99% set on it after the things i've seen about it. The main downsides are no internal usb c connections, and if you run more than 1 m.2 drive in the dedicated slots it will kick you down to 8x lanes for your gpu, which I only plan to run 1 m.2 anyways so that doesn't affect me at all.

Still looking into RAM, I was looking at the set you linked

Xexx , and I also see G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNB - Newegg.com for a little cheaper and its not on back order. I'm not in a big rush either way though.

I was looking at psu's, I know I want at least 850 for future GPU's. I am leaning towards just going with this and calling it a day unless someone recommends a better route, Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt 80 Plus Platinum - Micro Center

Here's my other dilemma. I was just about set on putting my PC on a shelf behind the wall my desk is against and running the cables through just below the desk really cleanly, so you can see anything at all and having my desk fully open and no fan sounds at all... Then I wouldn't really have to spend a lot of money on a really high end nice case... But now i'm starting to think about going all in and acrylic hard line custom loop water cooling the damn thing... I don't know if I want to spend the time and money, and the maintenance involved though.

Lambourne · Aug 27, 2020

Argarth said:
That's not a good review for someone thinking of building a new system like R Ratama . It was tested on a Z490 MB and that's a waste of money for a locked CPU. An appropriately priced MB would limit it to 2666 Mhz memory, no upgrade path, and then it won't perform as well as an equivalently priced Ryzen, even in gaming.

He should check the Hardware Unboxed or Gamer's Nexus reviews instead for this and other similar CPUs.

Gamersnexus says exactly what I did: Intel is competive for gaming, and don't overspend on the CPU, spend money on GPU instead. Intel 10600K is their mainstream gaming pick. They have the 3300X as their budget pick, with intel for max fps gaming or slightly higher budgets. 10400 tied with 3700x for FPS.

Best CPUs of 2020 So Far (Gaming, Workstation, Overclocking Round-Up)

We’ll be focusing more on firm recommendations for each category in this video and less on the deeper details, with our categories including: Best gaming CPU, best budget gaming CPU, best small business or hobbyist production CPU, best workstation CPU, best overall, most fun to overclock, and...

www.gamersnexus.net

Xexx · Aug 27, 2020

Deebo said:
I found an open box B550 Aorus master for $223 at microcenter, I have it reserved and im about 99% set on it after the things i've seen about it. The main downsides are no internal usb c connections, and if you run more than 1 m.2 drive in the dedicated slots it will kick you down to 8x lanes for your gpu, which I only plan to run 1 m.2 anyways so that doesn't affect me at all.

Still looking into RAM, I was looking at the set you linked Xexx , and I also see G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNB - Newegg.com for a little cheaper and its not on back order. I'm not in a big rush either way though.

I was looking at psu's, I know I want at least 850 for future GPU's. I am leaning towards just going with this and calling it a day unless someone recommends a better route, Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt 80 Plus Platinum - Micro Center

Here's my other dilemma. I was just about set on putting my PC on a shelf behind the wall my desk is against and running the cables through just below the desk really cleanly, so you can see anything at all and having my desk fully open and no fan sounds at all... Then I wouldn't really have to spend a lot of money on a really high end nice case... But now i'm starting to think about going all in and acrylic hard line custom loop water cooling the damn thing... I don't know if I want to spend the time and money, and the maintenance involved though.

The Asus Thor 1200 is just as good, has more pizzazz and for some reason is cheaper than that PSU

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Argarth · Aug 27, 2020

Lambourne said:
Gamersnexus says exactly what I did: Intel is competive for gaming, and don't overspend on the CPU, spend money on GPU instead. Intel 10600K is their mainstream gaming pick. They have the 3300X as their budget pick, with intel for max fps gaming or slightly higher budgets. 10400 tied with 3700x for FPS.

Best CPUs of 2020 So Far (Gaming, Workstation, Overclocking Round-Up)

We’ll be focusing more on firm recommendations for each category in this video and less on the deeper details, with our categories including: Best gaming CPU, best budget gaming CPU, best small business or hobbyist production CPU, best workstation CPU, best overall, most fun to overclock, and...

www.gamersnexus.net

I had issue with the techpowerup 10400 CPU review you linked, that's all. I had nothing to say about your other comments, so don't know why you bring them up again.

Re the 10400, please look again. In that GN Roundup article, there's a link to their video review, which incidentally is titled "Do Not Buy: Intel i5-10400 CPU Review & Benchmarks vs..." where it's all explained in great detail, including why they tested it with 2666 memory as well (also in the chart). At the bottom of that same article, the 10400 is in a two horse race with another Intel CPU for the "Biggest Disappointment" title. That made me chuckle. Not sure what you're driving at really.

Lambourne · Aug 28, 2020

Argarth said:
I had issue with the techpowerup 10400 CPU review you linked, that's all. I had nothing to say about your other comments, so don't know why you bring them up again.

Re the 10400, please look again. In that GN Roundup article, there's a link to their video review, which incidentally is titled "Do Not Buy: Intel i5-10400 CPU Review & Benchmarks vs..." where it's all explained in great detail, including why they tested it with 2666 memory as well (also in the chart). At the bottom of that same article, the 10400 is in a two horse race with another Intel CPU for the "Biggest Disappointment" title. That made me chuckle. Not sure what you're driving at really.

Wasn't really about the 10400 specifically, I was mostly responding to the Xexx post above my first one saying Intel is a poor choice. No worries.

Brahma · Aug 28, 2020

Xexx said:
The Asus Thor 1200 is just as good, has more pizzazz and for some reason is cheaper than that PSU

ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Fully Modular RGB Power Supply - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS ROG Thor 1200 80+ Platinum 1200W Fully Modular RGB Power Supply with LIVEDASH OLED Panel and 10 Year Warranty with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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I KNOW this is a dumb question

Xexx . Does a 1200 watt PS raise your electric bill substantially? Or does your PC just draw what it needs?

a_skeleton_05 · Aug 28, 2020

Brahma said:
I KNOW this is a dumb question Xexx . Does a 1200 watt PS raise your electric bill substantially? Or does your PC just draw what it needs?

The components draw as much power as they need, and the PSU uses an amount of electricity based on its efficiency to deliver that power.

This will help: What is PSU Efficiency and Why is it Important? | Velocity Micro Blog

Xexx · Aug 28, 2020

Meh with 3090 potential 400w power draw, not sure i want to take it easy at 850w myself. 10k series cpu's draw up to 300w themselves too. Dont want to keep efficiency around 60%?

jooka · Aug 28, 2020

Not surprised the 3090 would be a 350w draw but I did expect the 3080 to be less than 330w if the link

Big Phoenix posted is accurate.

Brahma · Aug 28, 2020

Fuck I really don't want to buy a new PSU. Well the whole rewiring is the thing. PITA with this case.

Thoughts?

Amazon product ASIN B077Z6DSXT

kegkilla · Aug 28, 2020

Brahma said:
I KNOW this is a dumb question Xexx . Does a 1200 watt PS raise your electric bill substantially? Or does your PC just draw what it needs?

Not substantially, but a larger power supply is going to have a higher "sweet spot" where it runs most efficiently. So yeah it'll draw more power when idle than a smaller PSU, but it should be a marginal amount.

Intrinsic · Aug 28, 2020

Brahma said:
Fuck I really don't want to buy a new PSU. Well the whole rewiring is the thing. PITA with this case.

I don’t want to buy a new UPS. My old one died to lightning and grabbed a cheapo from Home Depot that barely keeps up with my 980TI while gaming.

Borzak · Aug 28, 2020

Customer of mine offered a brand new Intel 9700F that was on a prebuilt that they salvaged. Never been used. I know it can't be overclocked and has no GPU. I don't normally overclock and the lack of a GPU really wouldn't matter. Any other drawbacks. I don't even think it was the for the company. Owner is a big ideas guy that has been big into computers since he had a BBS and such. I think he bought several of them to pull parts out of for something else. Who knows.

yimmien · Aug 28, 2020

So I was pretty much set on a 3700x or the next amd 4600/4700x if they manage to release before cyberpunk. I am now considering the 10700 (not K) instead. I am reading you can remove the 65W power limit in the bios which essentially overclocks it and turns it into a 10700k. It is only 30 bucks or so higher than the 3700x.

I haven't seen a reputable video on doing this though. This all came about when I was seeing the 10600k average about 5-8% higher fps than the 3700x already.

Is there any reason this is a bad idea? I am a bit concerned about lack of pci4 support. Some Z490 deals in the range of B550s now. I don't do any workload stuff on my pc. I am not sure I can hold out for new Ryzen if cyberpunk comes out first.

Axiel · Aug 28, 2020

A hacked 10700 wouldn't match a 10600k's fps- so why would you want to pay more for it?

kegkilla · Aug 28, 2020

yimmien said:
So I was pretty much set on a 3700x or the next amd 4600/4700x if they manage to release before cyberpunk. I am now considering the 10700 (not K) instead. I am reading you can remove the 65W power limit in the bios which essentially overclocks it and turns it into a 10700k. It is only 30 bucks or so higher than the 3700x.

I haven't seen a reputable video on doing this though. This all came about when I was seeing the 10600k average about 5-8% higher fps than the 3700x already.

Is there any reason this is a bad idea? I am a bit concerned about lack of pci4 support. Some Z490 deals in the range of B550s now. I don't do any workload stuff on my pc. I am not sure I can hold out for new Ryzen if cyberpunk comes out first.

What do you mean "remove the 65w power limit"? TDP is more a measure of the heat a CPU can generate, not an actual measure of the power it uses. BIOS can easily increase the voltage to a CPU, but with the locked multiplier on 10700, there is no reason to.

edit: I looked into this a bit. Kind of interested but I'm not sure why you wouldn't just pony up the extra $40 for the K series if you are interested in getting the most of our your chip.

yimmien · Aug 28, 2020

Axiel said:
A hacked 10700 wouldn't match a 10600k's fps- so why would you want to pay more for it?

I am thinking the extra 2 cores will make a difference soon with 8c being the target in ps5/Xbox. I tend to keep my pc for about 5 years and not upgrade much.

China Bat Soup said:
What do you mean "remove the 65w power limit"? TDP is more a measure of the heat a CPU can generate, not an actual measure of the power it uses. BIOS can easily increase the voltage to a CPU, but with the locked multiplier on 10700, there is no reason to.

edit: I looked into this a bit. Kind of interested but I'm not sure why you wouldn't just pony up the extra $40 for the K series if you are interested in getting the most of our your chip.

The article I was looking at had performance gains up to 30% by unlocking the 65W limit. I know that is best case scenario but that is still pretty great results.

Intel Core i7-10700 Review - Way to Overclock without the K

In our Intel Core i7-10700 review, we're taking a look at one of Intel's most affordable 8-core/16-thread processors. Its low TDP of 65 W makes it power-efficient, but also limits performance. We unlocked that limit and gained up to 30% real-life performance without ever risking an unstable system.

www.techpowerup.com

I was never really interested in the 10700k over the 3700x since it is 120 bucks higher, didn't seem worth it. 30 bucks diff seemed much more reasonable for the few % gains.

I am probably just getting impatient because I have a new case/drive/ram sitting here waiting on the 3070 or 80 to release and want to buy my mobo/CPU so I can play with it now.

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