Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

If you can't rescue Leah/bring her back in the expansion, I'll be pissed. I'm the hero damn it, I save everyone!

EtadanikM_sl said:

Nostalgia arguments on the internetz are a case of of pop psychology misuse and need to be confined to the domain of rhetorical fallacies.

For example, Diablo 1 came out years before Diablo 2 and invokes even greater nostalgia from a younger period of childhood. Why aren't people waxing poetic about Diablo 1 and its awesomesauce game design?

Click to expand...

I'm definitely waxing nostalgic about having to pick up every gold pile and furiously scanning my monitor for ring and amulet drops after hearing that wonderful "ding" sound when one drops.

Godly Plate of the Whale 4 life

Deathwing_sl said:

Why didn't you save Wirt or Griswold?

Click to expand...

They weren't important enough to rate a rescue by a first tier hero like me, and there was a delay in processing the paperwork at the heroes guild that kept backup hero from getting there in time.

What about Cain? Killed by a trivial sub boss who dies 4 zones later.

Tenks_sl said:

What about Cain? Killed by a trivial sub boss who dies 4 zones later.

Click to expand...

He was old.

What are the odds Cain was the neighborhood old pedo and touched Wirt's "wooden leg"

Tenks_sl said:

What are the odds Cain was the neighborhood old pedo and touched Wirt's "wooden leg"

Click to expand...

Griswold looked molestier IMO.

Tenks_sl said:

What are the odds Cain was the neighborhood old pedo and touched Wirt's "wooden leg"

Click to expand...

Herbert Cain?

Silence_sl said:

There's a special reward for those with 500 days played. I won't spoiler what it is, but I think most people will be pleasantly shocked by the reward.

Click to expand...

I got this in a PM: "hmm whats the reward? spoil it for me please i need a reason to keep playing, god knows WDs arent getting any funner. "

Seems like there is some bug with the auction house.. items disappearing. I know I had a few auctions vanish, though nothing really that special. Anyone else have any auctions just disappear?

Xith_sl said:

Seems like there is some bug with the auction house.. items disappearing. I know I had a few auctions vanish, though nothing really that special. Anyone else have any auctions just disappear?

Click to expand...

I won't know until I get home, but the Tech Support forum on Bnet is just filled with "AH item missing" posts. Apparently you have to file a support ticket to get your stuff back. There's a stickied post there on how to do it.

I haven't had items disappear permanently, but the auction house seems to be buggy as shit lately. It takes a while to load in the auctions I have going on, and whenever I click to put an item back into my inventory it freezes for a bit before going through. I've also had auctions that posted as complete but the item is nowhere to be found, only minutes later it shows up in the auction completed screen for me to get.

It also is making it very difficult to snipe auctions at the last minute, considering it takes over a minute sometimes for my bid to actually go through. I'm not sure when this all started, but it's gotten worse lately, maybe ever since the last minor update a week ago.

Also Silence.....is the reward for 500 days played or 500 hours played? Because the game hasn't been out for 500 days yet.

AH was really slow when I briefly played the other day. I even got some warning about it failing to list. Maybe zero item decay coupled with retards listing every piece of shit they pick up off the ground is finally overwhelming it?

Xith_sl said:

Seems like there is some bug with the auction house.. items disappearing. I know I had a few auctions vanish, though nothing really that special. Anyone else have any auctions just disappear?

Click to expand...

Yup. I have about 3+ million in "vanished" auctions so far tonight.

Deathwing_sl said:

tecknoe?

Click to expand...

I shall speak noe evil, hear noe evil and see noe evil.

Kreugen_sl said:

But how much "value" is the replay when all you are doing is leveling the same goddamn class again and your build doesn't even start working until you have 30-50 levels in it? You are extending the /played time with something extremely boring - like needing 15 minutes to regen mana in Everquest. There's just no upside to me.

To me that's like, people who argue that playing a FPS with a gamepad is "just as good" as a mouse. (or is even tolerable for that matter. If I want to drive a car or fly a jet, I'll use a joystick. A FPS? fuck no) Its like.. people who say group finder or instances ruin MMORPGs. Or a man who thinks he is a woman inside and so he goes and get a doctor to cave up his penis.

There are a lot of people who think this way, and are quite passionate about it. I've read their justifications. They may as well be trying to tell me the earth is flat or God exists.

Clearly, the team that made D3 does not share their view. They think there is enough game to play for hundreds of hours without needing to start over again over and over on the same class. They probably think of people who expect to get thousands of hours of replay out of the game as some sort of strange alien species.

Click to expand...

I'm going to make this brief. The difference between D2 and D3 w.r.t. replayability is that you get into that 'minimal novel experience' phase a lot sooner in D3 than in D2. D3's end game is to play one class, grind Paragon, and get +betterer from betterer rolls. It's not that you max out sooner in D3 than in D2 because you don't - the huge variance of +betterer rolls ensures that you're not going to max out without rolling a million+ times. It's that the experience is completely linear. You have negative incentive to roll a second character in D3 because of the Paragon mechanic and even for those who do take the hit to Paragon on their main to roll and level up alts, none of those alts are going to greatly outperform your main in the areas of the game that matter without Blizzard 'balancing' it.

The trick to making specialization work is characters that don't just play differently, but which have different advantages / disadvantages and cool factors in the eyes of players. Whether you accomplish this with classes / specialization trees is irrelevant. At the end of the day it's just a way to avoid having to churn out additional content for vertical progression, but that's the principle behind great design - knowing how to hit that sweet spot between time expenditure and tedium to keep players playing.

EtadanikM_sl said:

D3's end game is to play one class, grind Paragon, and get +betterer from betterer rolls.

Click to expand...

Sounds like how EQ used to be, just replace Paragon with AAs. It certainly didn't stop people from playing EQ to death.

I don't understand all this D2 nostalgia. I think part of it is that the internet wasn't as large back then, so you didn't have websites with people bitching about the game, because I'm sure people like yourself would have just been complaining about how the original Diablo was awesome and D2 sucked.

I enjoyed D2 a lot, probably why I bought D3 without needing to read any reviews. I, however, don't remember D2 being so incredibly awesome, certainly not at release, and not really coming into it's own until after the expansion. As far as rolling different toons, I found that personally to be more of a hassle than enjoyable. It seemed that whenever the game underwent a major patch, a new class/build became FOTM which I guess made people such as yourself more prone to rerolling and restarting a new character. I played D2 like EQ, and WoW for that matter, I had 1 toon I played to death, but I guess I may be in the minority.

If anything, I've done something in D3 I haven't done in the past, which is rolling more than 1 character. I have 3 to 60, working on a HC barb to get to 60 as my fourth. Part of the benefit of the new system is, if Blizzard goes and re-balances skills, buffing some and nerfing others like they always do, I don't have to reroll and start from level 1 again to adjust to the changes. I just have to switch my skills on the fly. For me, that's more of a benefit, and actually encouraged me to level different classes.

Izuldan_sl said:

Sounds like how EQ used to be, just replace Paragon with AAs. It certainly didn't stop people from playing EQ to death.

Click to expand...

EQ had enough of a novelty factor with yearly and bi-yearly expansions. Blizzard works nowhere near as fast. Even then EQ was at the limit of what was acceptable when it comes to tedium and indeed stepped over it: nobody enjoyed the hell levels and 1 AA / 5 hours grinding the same shit over and over, I guarantee you.

I don't understand all this D2 nostalgia. I think part of it is that the internet wasn't as large back then, so you didn't have websites with people bitching about the game, because I'm sure people like yourself would have just been complaining about how the original Diablo was awesome and D2 sucked.

Click to expand...

I enjoyed Diablo 1, but the day Diablo 2 came out, I picked it up and never looked back. D2 is just vastly better in every way than D1. Nostalgia doesn't hold a candle to deeper class design, gameplay mechanics, and itemization.

I enjoyed D2 a lot, probably why I bought D3 without needing to read any reviews. I, however, don't remember D2 being so incredibly awesome, certainly not at release, and not really coming into it's own until after the expansion. As far as rolling different toons, I found that personally to be more of a hassle than enjoyable. It seemed that whenever the game underwent a major patch, a new class/build became FOTM which I guess made people such as yourself more prone to rerolling and restarting a new character.I played D2 like EQ, and WoW for that matter, I had 1 toon I played to death, but I guess I may be in the minority.

If anything, I've done something in D3 I haven't done in the past, which is rolling more than 1 character. I have 3 to 60, working on a HC barb to get to 60 as my fourth. Part of the benefit of the new system is, if Blizzard goes and re-balances skills, buffing some and nerfing others like they always do, I don't have to reroll and start from level 1 again to adjust to the changes. I just have to switch my skills on the fly. For me, that's more of a benefit, and actually encouraged me to level different classes.

Click to expand...

The very benefit of the specialization system in Diablo 2 was predicated on people taking advantage of it to experience other builds, so yeah, you missed the boat completely on that one.