Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

T

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
14,163
607
While the game is far, far better than vanilla ever prayed to be I'm starting to burn out a bit. A few issues are starting to pop up.

* Elemental Damage % is way too good and restricts your build. At first with all these runes and options I felt like builds were finally opened up. But now if you gear for an element, which it appears you pretty much are forced to do, it suddenly limits what you can do. Since I have all Fire gear for my Barb I simply have to use a Fire generator and HOTA w/ Smash. No way around it.

* Lack of trading is a bit grating. You can get three copies of a really hard to find legendary but it means nothing. You are hunting for Legendary A and Legendary B keeps dropping. Maybe for 9/10 people they want Legendary B but you want A. It doesn't matter. You can't trade B for A.

* Rifts and bounties are fun but quickly become a monotonous chore. For the most part for bounties you just run around the zone until you find the blinking dot. Complete the objective. Rinse and repeat. Rifts basically feels like going through a longer portion of story mode.

* Crafting still has issues. For the most part crafted items aren't as good as dropped legendaries. So now you need a dropped legendary plan and farm a legendary mat to simply get an item worse than your BiS. I get they can be stop-gaps but it would be nice if there were epic crafting items like Thunderfury was in WoW.

Anyways just a few issues I have with the game. It is still fantastic no argument. But after a week or so of playing for 4-8 hr a day I'm burning out rapidly.
 
Foggy

Foggy

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
6,387
4,998
So you cannot even do the old school trading method of D2? Not even with friends? Dumb.
 
T

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
14,163
607
Foggy_sl said:
So you cannot even do the old school trading method of D2? Not even with friends? Dumb.
Click to expand...
You can trade items dropped when you're with a part for like 2 hours after it dropped or something to members of your party. But if you're RealID friends with someone and you don't find the item together you can't trade it.

IMHO they need to make concessions. Maybe they went so far in the No-Trading direction so they could ease the rules off a bit after some trial and error. I feel first things first is people who you're RealID friends with for 30 days you can do open trading. I'd also like to see trading items within your clan for like 48 hours after an item drops or something.
 
Noodleface

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,642
16,692
I don't see a problem with trading legendaries, it would really open the game up.

You can definitely trade rares and below by dropping them to friends, but that stuff only goes so far. The real items are legendaries/sets.

I think trading is my only issue right now.
 
T

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
14,163
607
Noodleface_sl said:
I don't see a problem with trading legendaries, it would really open the game up.

You can definitely trade rares and below by dropping them to friends, but that stuff only goes so far. The real items are legendaries/sets.

I think trading is my only issue right now.
Click to expand...
Do rares bind to you when you socket them? Sploit gem trading!
 
Korrupt

Korrupt

Blackwing Lair Raider
4,832
1,228
Trading legendaries will make people gear faster and burn the content quicker, why would blizzard want that?
 
Needless

Needless

Toe Sucker
<Silver Donator>
9,557
3,508
Trading also opens up the ability to use shitty rolled weapons for the sole purpose of transmog instead of just soul fodder, i have a really awful doombringer that looks cool as fuck etc that could be traded.

This game definitely still needs a lot of work, but compared to pre 2.0 its substantially better, and going in the right direction for sure.
 
Deathwing

Deathwing

<Bronze Donator>
17,184
8,195
I think making all items bind on equip is better than bind on account. Also, items will bind on trade and your time window to trade is based on how the person is related to you, just as Tenks specified. Both restrictions will keep clan/community/whatever chat turning into an auction house.

And yes, I fully realize this is coming from the guy that has repeatedly argued with D2 nostalgia idiots about their love for trading. Trading as a concept is fine. D2's implementation of trading was horrid. If D3 can implement trading that's convenient while increasing the opportunity cost of an item(trade or equip or salvage?), that will be to everyone's benefit. Players and devs.
 
Delly

Delly

Trakanon Raider
3,010
671
Eyashusa_sl said:
Sorry dude but no trading is retarded and I challenge you to come up with a reason why it's a good idea without referencing anything about D2 or Blizzard's bottom line.
Click to expand...
Playing devil's advocate, but it would just lead to people bitching about no endgame after being geared up in a week, ching chong farmers making money, and even more people complaining about being poor because they didn't play the game and instead just traded for all their loots and had to reroll them.

I like and dislike the system, it should be clan/friend trade for 2 hours and that would be perfect.
 
Noodleface

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,642
16,692
And yet in D2 trading was open and no one complained about being geared up. It's not like Tecky McMouthbreather is going to be able to hit 70 and start trading for awesome legendaries right away.
 
ZyyzYzzy

ZyyzYzzy

RIP USA
<Banned>
25,295
48,789
Well if they ever get around to ladders, I hope trading is like it is now for ladder characters. Hopefully that will then make them allow for all items outside of the ladder to be traded freely.
 
Juvarisx

Juvarisx

Florida
4,267
4,756
Noodleface_sl said:
And yet in D2 trading was open and no one complained about being geared up. It's not like Tecky McMouthbreather is going to be able to hit 70 and start trading for awesome legendaries right away.
Click to expand...
Noone complained because noone put in any effort to obtain gear that was blatently duped and or botted. Jesus christ the rose colouring.

Its gone, its not coming back, and its all our* fault. Yep, totally is.

Diablo 2 had GOD AWFUL drop rates, people have fond memories because of.....duped / botted gear! Yay such fun and what a super economy trading all those items. Oh you mean you want a really good item? Be prepared to never see it even unless you RMT / get a duped one.

Path of Exile is totally fucked because of trading. How did they try to curb the RMT, by lower drop rates of currency, that will stop all the bots right? Hey wait a minute why is our player base all quiting? Could it be because they will never get a drop to save their life and now all of our endgame content is gated behind a RMT / RNG wall that only the insane would try to scale. Man those RMT companies even make more then we do, what a fucking mess

Diablo 3 Vanilla. Hey trading is super easy, but now everyone is bitching all the gear they get is ass and they have to use the AH. If we improve the gear so that they get happy over drops, they will gear their characters out in 2-3 weeks and quit cause everyone will have the absolute best gear and there won't be a carrot. Also since botting and RMT is so easy to do these days as opposed to the year 2000 when everyone rose coloured glasses look at with d2, it will be a giant fucking mess.

So they did the only sane thing they could do. They improved the drop rates to the point where you could find shit yourself, and it would probably be decent, but it was still rarte enough to kjeep you playing for a long while. Yep it totally sucks I can't give my friend a weapon when I am done with it, but I would rather have that weapon drop for me then not have it drop for me ever because the dev's have to design the drops assuming I am an asshole and will trade it on some unofficial site.
 
Needless

Needless

Toe Sucker
<Silver Donator>
9,557
3,508
Deathwing_sl said:
I think making all items bind on equip is better than bind on account. Also, items will bind on trade and your time window to trade is based on how the person is related to you, just as Tenks specified. Both restrictions will keep clan/community/whatever chat turning into an auction house.
Click to expand...
I'm curious as how people assume this would work though? What would define a relationship? if they're on your real id list? friend list? in your clan? etc... all of these could entirely be devoid by Chan Ho Nam inviting you to clan SHDHEWIDHEWILSD to trade all the botted legendaries he has etc..

But.. BoE is certainly a good idea, assuming it binds to your account and not your character. Some people would question why they can't just trade an item when they eventually find an upgrade but.. it's better than having no option to at all, unless the person was with you when it dropped at the time.

--

Edit: D2 didn't necessarily have awful rates.. you could always get drops off the main bosses, albeit not every drop was great.. most were bad but you still had the illusion of hope that one of those days, one of those uniques would actually be a shako, or a hoz or whatever.
 
Noodleface

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,642
16,692
Juvarisx_sl said:
Noone complained because noone put in any effort to obtain gear that was blatently duped and or botted. Jesus christ the rose colouring.

Its gone, its not coming back, and its all our* fault. Yep, totally is.

Diablo 2 had GOD AWFUL drop rates, people have fond memories because of.....duped / botted gear! Yay such fun and what a super economy trading all those items. Oh you mean you want a really good item? Be prepared to never see it even unless you RMT / get a duped one.

Path of Exile is totally fucked because of trading. How did they try to curb the RMT, by lower drop rates of currency, that will stop all the bots right? Hey wait a minute why is our player base all quiting? Could it be because they will never get a drop to save their life and now all of our endgame content is gated behind a RMT / RNG wall that only the insane would try to scale. Man those RMT companies even make more then we do, what a fucking mess

Diablo 3 Vanilla. Hey trading is super easy, but now everyone is bitching all the gear they get is ass and they have to use the AH. If we improve the gear so that they get happy over drops, they will gear their characters out in 2-3 weeks and quit cause everyone will have the absolute best gear and there won't be a carrot. Also since botting and RMT is so easy to do these days as opposed to the year 2000 when everyone rose coloured glasses look at with d2, it will be a giant fucking mess.

So they did the only sane thing they could do. They improved the drop rates to the point where you could find shit yourself, and it would probably be decent, but it was still rarte enough to kjeep you playing for a long while. Yep it totally sucks I can't give my friend a weapon when I am done with it, but I would rather have that weapon drop for me then not have it drop for me ever because the dev's have to design the drops assuming I am an asshole and will trade it on some unofficial site.
Click to expand...
Yes, the drop rates were absolutely terrible. Me and my buddy played together for about a year just farming Act 4 Hell and the Cow Level on various characters. Sometimes we'd get an awesome dual leech ring and trade it for some uniques or whatever they were called.

You could buy stuff, sure. Maybe some of the items we got were duped, I have no idea and I didn't care. I was participating in the marketplace in my own way - completely legit from my side.

The AH was a shitty idea because it allowed you to get virtually any item in the game with real money, even from the very beginning when it was gold-only. You could buy gold and your character was geared up like that. I know it, because I did it on my barbarian.

I enjoy working for my gear, that's why I play. If I'm playing with friends or clan-mates, then even better. There's no fucking reason at all that I should pick up a legendary every 1.5 hours that sucks absolute ass to me and shard it when I know some other dude in the clan could put it to good use. Or maybe they want it for transmog. Or maybe it's a legitimate upgrade and he's got something I want.

I don't understand why there can't be a middle ground. People bitched about the AH because it was a legitimate issue that was causing people to burnout early (myself included).
 
Juvarisx

Juvarisx

Florida
4,267
4,756
It had the same problem diablo 3 had. 99 percent of the loot was probably shit so botting became the only sane way to gear your char.
 
Delly

Delly

Trakanon Raider
3,010
671
How is this not a middle ground? Controlled trading with semi frequently good legendary drops.

Its no wonder Blizz never gets anything done, trying to listen to the community gets them no where.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.