Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

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Needless_sl said:
I'm curious as how people assume this would work though? What would define a relationship? if they're on your real id list? friend list? in your clan? etc... all of these could entirely be devoid by Chan Ho Nam inviting you to clan SHDHEWIDHEWILSD to trade all the botted legendaries he has etc..

But.. BoE is certainly a good idea, assuming it binds to your account and not your character. Some people would question why they can't just trade an item when they eventually find an upgrade but.. it's better than having no option to at all, unless the person was with you when it dropped at the time.
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I left it purposefully vague. I would assume people that become your friend/clanmate/whatever post drop would not be eligible. The game tracks who was in your game when an item dropped, a whole clan/friend list can't be that much harder(wonder if that's where the 150 clan limit comes from). I mean, it isn't even that you need to tack 150 player IDs onto a weapon. Just track weapon drop date and player clan/friend list join date. If they don't sync up, can't trade! If already equipped, can't trade! If already traded once, can't trade!

I want to reiterate "bind on trade", I think that's an important aspect to my admittedly simplistic system. It allows a whole new dimension for item use without allowing a pool of tradeable items to establish themselves. You know, how SoJs eventually became currency.
 
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DeLLy_sl said:
How is this not a middle ground? Controlled trading with semi frequently good legendary drops.

Its no wonder Blizz never gets anything done, trying to listen to the community gets them no where.
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Not listening to the community, also gets you no where.
 
ronne

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People vastly underestimate what botting and duping did to D2. d2j was the entire economy for that game, and despite the lack of the so despised auction house, you could immediately buy the best in the game hours after a ladder reset. There were more bots in that game than actual players for years and years and years, and it was the only way to actually farm anything.
 
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I wouldn't mind elemental damage % if they trimmed the classes to only have 3 elements on their runes, relatively evenly distributed, and smart loot should roll only those +element affixes. That would allow for more variety in each element, while maintaining the feeling of speccing your character a certain way. As it is, some elements for some classes have only 1-2 viable options as builders/spenders, so you'll use those abilities forever.
 
Deathwing

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DeLLy_sl said:
How is this not a middle ground? Controlled trading with semi frequently good legendary drops.

Its no wonder Blizz never gets anything done, trying to listen to the community gets them no where.
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It's not a middle ground because trade essentially doesn't exist. Clans are glorified chat groups. You feel much less connected to them because you can't help them out with gear unless you group with 3 of them.

I honestly might be ok with reduced drop rate if it means restricted trade. Or I could be talking out my ass and I'll complain when they implement that too. Hotfixing the legendary droprate out of nowhere means the system obviously isn't even close to refined.
 
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I've got to the point where playing solo is getting to be a bit of a drag, but if one or more of my friends are online then it's still pretty awesome. I do expect my play time to continue to diminish over the next month or so. We'll see what the next patch will do, however.
 
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Juvarisx_sl said:
Noone complained because noone put in any effort to obtain gear that was blatently duped and or botted. Jesus christ the rose colouring.

Its gone, its not coming back, and its all our* fault. Yep, totally is.

Diablo 2 had GOD AWFUL drop rates, people have fond memories because of.....duped / botted gear! Yay such fun and what a super economy trading all those items. Oh you mean you want a really good item? Be prepared to never see it even unless you RMT / get a duped one.

Path of Exile is totally fucked because of trading. How did they try to curb the RMT, by lower drop rates of currency, that will stop all the bots right? Hey wait a minute why is our player base all quiting? Could it be because they will never get a drop to save their life and now all of our endgame content is gated behind a RMT / RNG wall that only the insane would try to scale. Man those RMT companies even make more then we do, what a fucking mess

Diablo 3 Vanilla. Hey trading is super easy, but now everyone is bitching all the gear they get is ass and they have to use the AH. If we improve the gear so that they get happy over drops, they will gear their characters out in 2-3 weeks and quit cause everyone will have the absolute best gear and there won't be a carrot. Also since botting and RMT is so easy to do these days as opposed to the year 2000 when everyone rose coloured glasses look at with d2, it will be a giant fucking mess.

So they did the only sane thing they could do. They improved the drop rates to the point where you could find shit yourself, and it would probably be decent, but it was still rarte enough to kjeep you playing for a long while. Yep it totally sucks I can't give my friend a weapon when I am done with it, but I would rather have that weapon drop for me then not have it drop for me ever because the dev's have to design the drops assuming I am an asshole and will trade it on some unofficial site.
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^All this is true. How many people ran around with Enigma rune words in D2? Have you ever tried to farm those runes yourself? Do you have any idea how many hours of farming would go into that?

D3 drops are currently WAY more generous than D2 or PoE ever were, which is only made possible by the lack of trading.
 
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DeLLy_sl said:
How is this not a middle ground? Controlled trading with semi frequently good legendary drops.

Its no wonder Blizz never gets anything done, trying to listen to the community gets them no where.
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Blizzard never listens to the community, they listen to whoever is the loudest.

Semi-frequently good legendary drops is a questionable statement for many.
 
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Noodleface_sl said:
Blizzard never listens to the community, they listen to whoever is the loudest.

Semi-frequently good legendary drops is a questionable statement for many.
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Bullshit, they have a vision and it changes depending on what exploits are found. All in the name of balance not what is fun.
 
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TecKnoe_sl said:
WHOA NOOODLE FACE SHOTS FIRED??
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I was just fucking with you because you were a matter of contention on the last page
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Vorph

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No trading is still the best thing about 2.0 to me. I definitely do not want to see them add anything more than a *very* small window of opportunity (like 5-10 minutes max) to trade with friends/clan who are on your list and online at the time the item dropped.

I even say that despite getting a Kridershot right before I logged off last night that I will never use--because bolas are so much better than elemental arrow it's not even funny--and could easily trade for one of the many things which refuse to drop for me. I don't want YOUR Cindercoat (mine's 66
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) or Marauder's Spines... I want the game to stay balanced around the fact that I have to self-find everything instead of having drop rates nerfed back down to account for trading making it far easier to gear up.
 
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Elerion_sl said:
D3 drops are currently WAY more generous than D2 or PoE ever were, which is only made possible by the lack of trading.
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I don't understand this statement, and I'm not picking on you because a lot of people seem to feel this way. Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't you have "smart" loot and trading?

I like Deathwing's idea of "bind on trade" for sure.
 
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Eyashusa_sl said:
I don't understand this statement, and I'm not picking on you because a lot of people seem to feel this way. Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't you have "smart" loot and trading?
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It doesn't *have* to be, it's simply a given that that is how Blizzard would do it. I doubt they would go to the extreme of PoE, which is still the stingiest loot system ever designed by mankind, or even go all the way back to the drop rates of the D3 AH days, but I guarantee you that they would nerf individual drop rates significantly to account for the ability to trade items.
 
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Shitters full. Your next clan has my blessing to use "Rehabilitated Retards." You're welcome.

So it seems everything I've gotten since hitting 70 has been -2% dps +15% toughness "upgrades" so I walking around with some retarded amount of toughness and still not killing things fast enough. So to compliment my (lv36) Moonlight Ward I came up with The Juicer:Wizard - Game Guide - Diablo III

Not terribly practical, but it does melt face at the cost of a mere 3 or 4 million toughness.
 
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Kreugen_sl said:
Shitters full. Your next clan has my blessing to use "Rehabilitated Retards." You're welcome.

So it seems everything I've gotten since hitting 70 has been -2% dps +15% toughness "upgrades" so I walking around with some retarded amount of toughness and still not killing things fast enough. So to compliment my (lv36) Moonlight Ward I came up with The Juicer:Wizard - Game Guide - Diablo III

Not terribly practical, but it does melt face at the cost of a mere 3 or 4 million toughness.
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Clan may be full for the moment, going to check tonight, anyone that hasn't logged in for a while will be removed.
 
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The only way they can do trading ATM is to make anything you receive from trade bind to account, which could actually be a decent banaid I think. Not that I think the game is missing trading, receiving loot for whacking monsters is the whole game, why change that ?
 
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Needless_sl said:
I'm curious as how people assume this would work though? What would define a relationship? if they're on your real id list? friend list? in your clan? etc... all of these could entirely be devoid by Chan Ho Nam inviting you to clan SHDHEWIDHEWILSD to trade all the botted legendaries he has etc..

But.. BoE is certainly a good idea, assuming it binds to your account and not your character. Some people would question why they can't just trade an item when they eventually find an upgrade but.. it's better than having no option to at all, unless the person was with you when it dropped at the time.
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My solution is rather simple. You can freely trade with "veteren friends." Veteren friends could either be non-realID or real-ID friends that have been on your list a certain amount of time. *Possibly* consider BoE instead of BoA if you dislike the idea of hand-me-downs instead of actual trading.

Extend your "party" to the entire clan. If you are online and someone IDs a legendary it should be subject to the same trading restrictions as if you were in the player's party when he ID'd it. That way the entire clan won't be a giant loot warehouse but could lend itself to a trading atmosphere. The only elegant solution I don't have is how you pay for said legendary. It seems more like a one-way trade since none of your items would be marked as valid for trading back to the person. Possibly since it is not anonymous trading like in D2 the clan would have an honor system where you'll "pay them back" if you get a good legendary drop and the clan could weed people out themselves for who only leech items but never give back. -Edit- I suppose a concept of bind on trade could solve the pay back.
 
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