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Sutekh_sl said:
Bfury void is not a hard hitting cleaving hero, like at all. DP is not a hard hitting cleaving hero and neither is Mirana.

So I guess thanks for you mute point, it bottled my mind.
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Did you watch the game?He was 6 slotted doing 400dmg per hit. So was DP and mirana was nearing it.
 
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an accordion_sl said:
SYLAR GOES DOWN AGAIN, HE HAS NO BUYBACK, GONNA BE DOWN FOR 5 MINUTES
NOW DK HAS THE CHANCE TO PUSS-PUSH ELSEWHERE

ayesee is worst, fuck
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Thats why Im listening to the purge newb cast lol. I actually like these 2 because they dont fucking scream like tobi on every black hole or ayesee on everything.
 
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The shocking part to me was twitch chat was civil and informative. It was pretty fucking weird. Had like 4k viewers this afternoon.
 
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Pyros_sl said:
Can't kill the illusions before they reach your base because they move too fast due to manta/travel/drums(removed later on) speed. While you can dominate early and mid, naga is very good at finding farm regardless so you also need a lineup that can actually end the game quickly.

I mean, just look at how many teams lose to a naga even though they were winning. Good teams too. Happens all the fucking time. Kill naga, prevent her from jungling, she gets a 25+mins naked radiance. And she still turns it around at 35mins quite often.

I didn't have as much of a problem with PL when PL was all the shit because PL only does one thing. He makes illusions and overwhelms you. That's his thing and literally all his skills are built around this simple concept. Also PL has a huge ramp time, he's pretty fucking awful for a long time, because well he's a pure illusion hero and illusions suck early on. Naga is a lot more retarded in my opinion because her illusions are made on demand(no RNG, no need to actually attack shit on the way) but also because her other skills are extremely good. Ensnare is one of the very few CC that goes through BKB and interupt TP, Song is one of the strongest ultimate in the game in terms of teamfight control/initiation/disengaging/counter initiation and Riptide is a meh spell if not for the fact you get your illusions to cast it, making the illusions deadlier and push harder. When you gank her it's not like PL where all you have to bring is a gem or a sentry to see him, you need to absolutely make sure to disable her the entire time or she songs and get the fuck out. It means you need several heroes with disables to do it, which puts in a shit spot if she's been pushing all your lanes and quite often killing her gives you exactly 0 advantage since you have to go back, push all your lanes back and by the time you're done she has 20secs left to rez. Only thing you get is roshan, sometimes, but if she buys back you need to bkb to even loot roshan in case she uses song.

I'm all for the hero being strong as fuck. Many heroes are, that's fine. I don't like the proxy pushing and herpderp illusions a click. The fact you have to dedicate your carry to actually dealing with her illusions a clicking your base and that's somehow an acceptable counter is retarded. Illusions should be for farming and for teamfights/confusion, not for base pushing while you're sitting halfway across the map. If wolves or treants scaled with items, I don't think they'd be as easy to use as they are now, but that's pretty much naga illusions(riptide balances out the fact illusions are fairly shit compared to treants/wolves early on).
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I'm not sure we're watching the same games being played here. Naga does not win games if she gets a 25+ min naked radiance. Naga probably loses more than wins when she gets even an 18+ minute naked radiance. It doesn't happen all the time, it barely ever happens.

I'm not really going to argue the usefulness of PL v Naga because there's no point there but claiming Naga's difficult to gank because she has song is pretty stupid really. It's arguably her only real use in the first HALF of the game and it has a massive CD at low levels (3, 2, 1 minutes respectively). If you go to gank a level 10 naga and she songs. Well guess what, there's no song for 3 minutes! Either push a tower now because they don't have a good setup or go back and gank her again. If you're talking about a farmed level 16+ Naga Siren, then it's not unheard of to have to use your spells to shut them down, that's called killing a carry in dota2.

The hero isn't strong as fuck, teams are drafting more and more mid-game centered lineups so split pushing is seeing a resurgence.
datdota: Naga Siren
look at the teams she's won against in this tournament for fucks sake.


niss_sl said:
Did you watch the game?He was 6 slotted doing 400dmg per hit. So was DP and mirana was nearing it.
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That's not the point, you're relying on battlefury to do damage on him compared to someone like Sven. Not only does it do 30% LESS damage it's taking up a slot in his inventory being useless. I honestly wouldn't even want BF to deal with illusions on him.
 
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Drtyrm_sl said:
The shocking part to me was twitch chat was civil and informative. It was pretty fucking weird. Had like 4k viewers this afternoon.
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Yeah I've heard that from yesterday too, people saying the twitch chat was actually helpful when people asked questions and shit. You'd expect it'd be full of trolls and spammers but apparently not. Seems like a great addition by Valve.
 
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Naga is strong if left unchecked, I've even see teams use 3+ heroes to gank her over and over early so by the time she gets to a radiance its already over. And lets be real here, this is not the plague on dota that was Cancer Lancer + Kotl. Once they nerfed Naga down a notch in recent patches, I think shes perfectly fine and no more dangerous than any other ridiculously 6 slotted ultra late game carry other than sieging from afar than just wiping you and taking rax via brute force.
 
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Sutekh_sl said:
I'm not sure we're watching the same games being played here. Naga does not win games if she gets a 25+ min naked radiance. Naga probably loses more than wins when she gets even an 18+ minute naked radiance. It doesn't happen all the time, it barely ever happens.

I'm not really going to argue the usefulness of PL v Naga because there's no point there but claiming Naga's difficult to gank because she has song is pretty stupid really. It's arguably her only real use in the first HALF of the game and it has a massive CD at low levels (3, 2, 1 minutes respectively). If you go to gank a level 10 naga and she songs. Well guess what, there's no song for 3 minutes! Either push a tower now because they don't have a good setup or go back and gank her again. If you're talking about a farmed level 16+ Naga Siren, then it's not unheard of to have to use your spells to shut them down, that's called killing a carry in dota2.

The hero isn't strong as fuck, teams are drafting more and more mid-game centered lineups so split pushing is seeing a resurgence.
datdota: Naga Siren
look at the teams she's won against in this tournament for fucks sake.
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I didn't say it's so strong it can't be countered or wins all the time, her winrate isn't particularily good. I said it's retarded and boring. It's retarded because if you get going for whatever reason, then the game isn't ending soon and there won't be shit happening for most of the rest of the game, until eventually naga chips all the buildings down or make a big enough mistake that the other team wins in a single push. It's boring because well, because of that. I don't care for the playstyle and I'd like for it to be a better counter than "play better early or lose in a 50mins game".

Mostly I don't care for the lack of risk vs the reward for doing it. As I said I don't mind Tinker or Furion because they have to put themselves in much shittier positions and they don't have a "lulz disengage fuck you people" spell. I guess tinker can sheep rearm blink TP which is close but only works on one guy. I don't mind PL because he's built around the entire concept. But Naga does what PL does, with a lot more utility on top. The only thing she does worse is killing people lategame but that's ok since you don't have to fight people to win anyway. Granted PL ends the game more decisively because of it, but he also struggles a fuckton more to get there. You're not gonna solo PL mid and get 18mins radiance.
 
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So the main complaint is that she's boring to watch. So because she's boring to watch you want to phase her out of the meta?

bone7 got so crushed he just left the lane rofl.

Liquid falling apart on day 2. Sad times, the dream is dead.
 
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Wow, VG beats Newbee too. Didnt expect them to be the best Chinese team so far, but they have some very skilled players (Super etc). Now they have to play all the favorites over today and tomorrow, will be interesting to see how they do.
 
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Wish we got to see a real all stars match. Last year it was pretty much just a fun throw away game, but would be interesting to see some of the great players playing together. Could just shift 250k prize money to the winning team to provide some real incentive!
 
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Lol Capitalist is so bad at casting. He like learned from Tobi to scream about ultimates but completely misses the rest of the fight.

Alliance scum down. gg Fnatic on that crazy ass draft. Notail lone druid and Trixi with blink jugg.
 
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ohmgee_sl said:
ddz recovering from that start is pretty impressive
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Not really hard when you're an exort invoker with support that carry the game. He just would sunstrike and get the gold from kill.

Seems like liquid is back in their shit form, oh well.
 
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