DOTA 2
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Penance
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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This problem reminds me of a book called Foundation by Issac Asimov. We need the formula!
That's one side of the argument but we know it isn't true. A GOOD player in his own bracket may be a bit rusty with a different role/hero but they're not going to make stupid decisions that make him look like he just picked up the game. But this happens all the time. You win a few games in a row and then get put into a game with people that are blatantly awful. It's not about knowing the ins and outs of a class but its about defensive play, warding, looking at the map, etc. which are all woefully missing in these games.
yea shit like this happens to me a lot which is why i dread solo queuing. i've had way too many games where its lopsided. if i lose a tough fought game where people make small mistakes here and there, i'm ok. but there are way too many games where people just argue over stupid basics and everyone wants to be the one to get all the kills and the game just ends up in a roflstomp.
Zaphid
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I think you underestimate how much goes into a stable lane, you need knowledge of all heroes and how they match up, how they scale, wards, which runes spawn. What you said applies to the top level of players, I have literally no idea how to win mid, I simply don't play mid, I know no typical mid heroes, when and how to gank ... Most people are good at winning a game that goes their way, but they are horrible at coming back. I can play a carry if I get a freefarm lane and support that pulls for himself and doesn't fuck up my hits, but to get farm under pressure like pros do ? Tough luck. Of course, if you run into a dick, report them and move on. I'd also say that one does not solo queue to win, but just to play the game. It's irrelevant, you get same amount of battle points.
I have no idea what your point even is other than maybe that you are bad? If you "don't know what a typical mid hero" is, then you fall into the category of the bads I get matched in after a string of lossess.
I'm not expecting intricate smoke ganks at non-pro/non-organized games but if a person gets raped in jungle when all 5 heros are off the map, then that person clearly wasn't put into the right bracket. This shit happensallthe time. I'm not saying that every once in a while teams aren't evenly matched and one team just fucking blows it due to poor play - that happens also. I'm saying that it's painfully obvious when a certain individual is outclassed in a game due to repetitive poor plays.
Map awareness (which includes knowing when to play defensive/stick to towers, when to TP to turn around a gank and how to do all this while last hitting, pulling, warding, etc) is the single best sign of which bracket the person belongs to. And these things easily stand out when someone's not doing them.
Disagree. I see everyone doing this, it's not hard to ward/pull/last hit and tp to towers. Positioning and knowledge of when to use skills is what separates the good players.
Most people in a low bracket don't have the awareness to tp to a tower to thwart and turn around a gank. This is a fact. Most baddies have tunnel vision during laning phase and then bitch that no one called "missing".Contrary to what you believe it takes a lot of map awareness to pull those things off.
I've been having similar frustrations with games too. MM is broken and I'm guessing its similar to the balance in private games. Let's say individual players are ranked according to points and a match is like 5000 vs 5000, well this is fundamentally wrong because what happens is one player might be 1200 and another 800, where as the other team as two 1000's. It should be balancing player to player when matchmaking, meaning 1000 vs 1000, 800 vs 800, etc.
Anyways, I'm not too excited about the neogaf players or the other options, I'd recommend we gather in the rerolled channel. Also send me a friend request
Anyways, I'm not too excited about the neogaf players or the other options, I'd recommend we gather in the rerolled channel. Also send me a friend request
Zaphid
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Iknowthat I should be watching the minimap, wards and all that stuff, however it is significantly easier when you are playing a role in a lane you have done hundreds of times as opposed to a lane you aren't as comfortable with. Never had tunnel vision, where you are concentrating on what is happening in your lane and trying not to miss a beat until somebody ganks you ? I'm not talking about running around alone in lategame, but different heroes have different places where to stay during teamfights and so on. Anyway, my point still stands, nobody suggested a way to make solo queue more balanced besides inhouse leagues with much smaller playerbase and banlists.
same, hit me up on calla on steam. i rewally need avoid all these solo queues. i group with rethan now and then but everyone else in the foh channel just afks
its not easy to rely on random teammates be this aware. the normal bracket has such a broad skill range
Sutekh
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The normal bracket isn't the problem. The problem is when you're in the very high skill bracket and you continually get players on your team that are in the normal bracket. The match making system is shit in this game, there are one sided matches fucking everywhere. For instance, 2 games recently. 1 game we destroy them so hard they rage abandon by the 15 minute mark and it's over. Next game we get a puck who's afraid to blink in to a fight, a kotl who didn't buy a single ward or recall me (the carry) once, a bane that straight fed and cast fiends grip once (due to team screaming at him to cast it) and a silencer who would literally walk up to 5 of them and attempt to curse them and get raped instantly. As Naix I bought all our wards, setup all our kills, and we lost at the end when they killed one of our rax, I split push out while team counter pushes rax, I ask for recall 10-15 times during this, don't get recalled, die while backing and they just take out the rest of our rax because I'm gone. The game isn't even fun unless you have like skilled friends either. You can't group que with people who aren't as good as you, because when you get grouped against another team they just fucking roll you because your friend isn't very good at the game.
