DOTA 2
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But then wouldent your teamates know how to fight off PL? its alot harder in the shit bracket if nobody has any idea how to counter him, if you're in very high or high you should have a much easier time, specially if you're playing AP just counter him you should all know what you're doing right?I dont play in the shit bracket, so teams with PL know what they're doing
Sutekh
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I love you just randomly assume that the PL in question has shit team mates and allow him to be continually ganked over and over again and don't actually do anything, and assume that he's this weakass hero early/mid game. His nuke is really good early, one of the strongest single target nukes in the game.
Zaphid
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LGD.int just picked treant vs LGD.cn ...
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/stre...ondTheSummitTV
that didn't go so well...
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/stre...ondTheSummitTV
that didn't go so well...
yeah, I usually queue with 2-4 and teams willalwaysdo the "we have a pl" strat where they just ward very defensively and 4v5 as much as they can while he split pushes.
Sulrn
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I stand by my previous statement.
Countering PL isn't an issue if you always know which PL is the real PL and which are fakes. Giving gem an illu reveal and/or removing the invis aspect to Dopple walk would make him massively weaker. Forcing him to get SB to invis out of a push and make a new army in woods/lane cuts down his power without nerfing him. It also hurts his ganking ability immensely as he can't lance>bottle/soul>dopple/regen>break invis>lance supports to death without losing another inventory space.
And yes Sutekh, dust/wards/gem already counter dopple -- but fuck you if you've never been in a game where inventory space/gold isn't available for the reveals or the PL/enemy team counter wards/gems your reveals or harasses your dust carriers.
Countering PL isn't an issue if you always know which PL is the real PL and which are fakes. Giving gem an illu reveal and/or removing the invis aspect to Dopple walk would make him massively weaker. Forcing him to get SB to invis out of a push and make a new army in woods/lane cuts down his power without nerfing him. It also hurts his ganking ability immensely as he can't lance>bottle/soul>dopple/regen>break invis>lance supports to death without losing another inventory space.
And yes Sutekh, dust/wards/gem already counter dopple -- but fuck you if you've never been in a game where inventory space/gold isn't available for the reveals or the PL/enemy team counter wards/gems your reveals or harasses your dust carriers.
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I am extremely late to the party, but if you haven't seenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOmcaqEqyYoyou are doing yourself a disservice.
Dandain
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Time to quill bitches.
Update Notes - March 27, 2013
- Added Bristleback!
GAMEPLAY
- Broodmother: Fixed Insatiable Hunger cooldown on level 1 and 3.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Dragon Blood armor bonus not carrying over to Illusions.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Elder Dragon Form frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Doom: Fixed Doom damage being blocked by Pipe.
- Enchantress: Fixed Nature's Attendants lasting 1 second less than intended.
- Huskar: Fixed Life Break leap moving too fast.
- Magnus: Fixed Shockwave hitting units behind you.
- Mirana: Fixed Mirana's Leap range being slightly too short.
- Nyx Assassin: Fixed Impale traveling too far.
- Phantom Lancer: Fixed being able to have 1 juxtapose illusion too many
- Razor: Fixed Static Link break range being 25 too short.
- Shadow Shaman: Fixed Shackles doing a little less damage than intended.
- Slark: Fixed Pounce not initiating an attack order on the leashed target.
- Templar Assassin: Fixed Meld buff getting dispelled.
- Visage: Fixed Familiars not getting affected by Chronosphere.
- Weaver: Fixed being The Swarm units being unable to Latch onto sleeping units.
- Weaver: Fixed The Swarm getting permanently dispelled if the enemy is invulnerable .
- Weaver: Fixed the Swarm units not doing their initial attack immediately upon latching.
- Added Psuedo Random chance for Roshan's Bash.
- Fixed Eye of Skadi frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Fixed Diffusal Blade proccing multiple damage instances.
- Fixed heroes flickering on the minimap when walking by Sentry Wards while under Smoke of Deceit.
UI
- Pausing in a practice or tournament game now prevents the team that paused from querying units, moving the camera or accessing the shop.
- Added ability and item notes, detailed tooltips that will display only if ALT is pressed.
- Adjusted Replay Highlight scene leadin time a bit.
- Arcane Boots now has 'mana' as a shop alias.
- Wisp name change to Io.
- Added 10 second rewind button to replay controls.
- Spectator Items panel now takes up less space and shows items ordered by value.
- Steam friends can be added, removed, and friendship requests confirmed/ignored from within Dota 2.
VISUALS
- New Vengeful Spirit model.
- Added in-game models for when the following items are dropped from inventory into the world: Gem of True Sight, Observer Wards, and Sentry Wards.
BOTS
- Added Bounty Hunter bot.
- Significantly revised how Roam mode works.
AUDIO
- Revised Beastmaster's voice.
DOTA 2 STORE
- Added the Treasure Key of the Cursed Wood and the Treasure Key of the Shaper Divine.
- Several old keys have returned to the store along with a very low drop rate for some older community chests.
- The current set of community crates will no longer expire, but their drop rate will be decreased over time and their rarity increased over time.
- Added new sets for Brewmaster, Lich, Riki, Juggernaut, Beastmaster, and Spectre.
- Added a couple new couriers!
- Added Bristleback!
GAMEPLAY
- Broodmother: Fixed Insatiable Hunger cooldown on level 1 and 3.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Dragon Blood armor bonus not carrying over to Illusions.
- Dragon Knight: Fixed Elder Dragon Form frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Doom: Fixed Doom damage being blocked by Pipe.
- Enchantress: Fixed Nature's Attendants lasting 1 second less than intended.
- Huskar: Fixed Life Break leap moving too fast.
- Magnus: Fixed Shockwave hitting units behind you.
- Mirana: Fixed Mirana's Leap range being slightly too short.
- Nyx Assassin: Fixed Impale traveling too far.
- Phantom Lancer: Fixed being able to have 1 juxtapose illusion too many
- Razor: Fixed Static Link break range being 25 too short.
- Shadow Shaman: Fixed Shackles doing a little less damage than intended.
- Slark: Fixed Pounce not initiating an attack order on the leashed target.
- Templar Assassin: Fixed Meld buff getting dispelled.
- Visage: Fixed Familiars not getting affected by Chronosphere.
- Weaver: Fixed being The Swarm units being unable to Latch onto sleeping units.
- Weaver: Fixed The Swarm getting permanently dispelled if the enemy is invulnerable .
- Weaver: Fixed the Swarm units not doing their initial attack immediately upon latching.
- Added Psuedo Random chance for Roshan's Bash.
- Fixed Eye of Skadi frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
- Fixed Diffusal Blade proccing multiple damage instances.
- Fixed heroes flickering on the minimap when walking by Sentry Wards while under Smoke of Deceit.
UI
- Pausing in a practice or tournament game now prevents the team that paused from querying units, moving the camera or accessing the shop.
- Added ability and item notes, detailed tooltips that will display only if ALT is pressed.
- Adjusted Replay Highlight scene leadin time a bit.
- Arcane Boots now has 'mana' as a shop alias.
- Wisp name change to Io.
- Added 10 second rewind button to replay controls.
- Spectator Items panel now takes up less space and shows items ordered by value.
- Steam friends can be added, removed, and friendship requests confirmed/ignored from within Dota 2.
VISUALS
- New Vengeful Spirit model.
- Added in-game models for when the following items are dropped from inventory into the world: Gem of True Sight, Observer Wards, and Sentry Wards.
BOTS
- Added Bounty Hunter bot.
- Significantly revised how Roam mode works.
AUDIO
- Revised Beastmaster's voice.
DOTA 2 STORE
- Added the Treasure Key of the Cursed Wood and the Treasure Key of the Shaper Divine.
- Several old keys have returned to the store along with a very low drop rate for some older community chests.
- The current set of community crates will no longer expire, but their drop rate will be decreased over time and their rarity increased over time.
- Added new sets for Brewmaster, Lich, Riki, Juggernaut, Beastmaster, and Spectre.
- Added a couple new couriers!
Sutekh
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The PL team sucked:
1. PL didn't even have drums by 20 minutes. Viper had shadow blade and vanguard
2. PL was with a medusa with 240gpm at the end (ie. a melee creep)
3. Medusa built MEK
4. PL went for crystalys instead of heart
To summarize that game at the end. You had a team with 4 FAT semicarries (SK, ench, viper, lone druid) versus a Medusa with Mek, PL with drums/diffusal and SSpirit with bloodstone. I didn't watch the game but anyone can conclude that it was a rollover for multiple reasons and certainly not because "PL is fine and controllable".
In conclusion, the PL and his team sucked ass. Thanks for providing a match that actually proves my point: PL and/or his team has to be a mouthbreather to lose.
I'm actually sick of PL but I pick him every chance I get on RD because if I don't, someone else will and will make me want to alt+f4.
In the very high queue teams will basically four man safe-lane support their carry (this includes PL) with 2 laners, jungle and roaming mid. Good luck containing that shit in a mediocre pub. Even a competent team is going to be devoting all of their resources to controlling him, at which point PL could still easily spiral out of control. The hero is bullshit. If you could make a set of abilities for the ideal carry, the result would be Phantom Lancer.
Dandain
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He also severely punishes diving, you have to play for objectives to beat pl, no matter how far ahead you are, 5 man mid or smoke into 5 man mid where all you're looking to do is rax back heal and reload with the next ultimate timers. Even then its no guarantee.
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yeah well completely ignore the fact we didnt allow him to farm, wich is controlling him.
and he had a diffusal why couldent he stall long enough to win the game, according to you thats all he needs.
the point isnt wether or not hes OP, what were arguing is the fact that you are saying hes UNCONTROLLABLE and thats just untrue, nobody is disagreeing that hes a strong fucking champ you bleeding cunt, what were trying to get through to you is he IS controllable if you and your fucking team drafts/plays smart, tell me again how you left the shit que? oh right probably riding the backs of said champs you're crying about, you fucking lame bitch.
MEDUSA HAD MEK.
MEDUSA AND PL ON SAME TEAM.
PL THAT FORGOES HEART FOR CRYSTALYS
It was a shit game against shit players. Why are you clinging on that game?