DOTA 2

Penance_sl said:

Just played my first bristleback game. Went 13-3. Fun times.

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op hero is op gosh

Reminded me of the fragmovies of old, superb editing.

that was a pretty sweet video, he should gather a shitload of big play clips from pros and make a movie like that.

I swear people in low tier pub games are trolls. Had 3 games in a row today where someone on our team dc'd and then had a game where 3 teamates stood in base trying to trap people with 50 sentry wards. Its fucking stupid. Only fun games are when I got 4-5 people together and even then the other team is LOLing with PL, Drow, Riki, and Viper.

Tried Undying yesterday and today and he is a really fun hero. If played right his str steal can keep him alive and you can get easy kills early in lane. He just seems a bit underpowered though. His base atk dmg is one of the best but balancing his str and mana is tough. Plus he sucks unless its a team fight or lots of creep around.

well thats exactly why he dies off towards the mid/late game

I was in a pub game today we could have totally won, but our nightstalker kept trying to solo kill shit and he got raped, while the rest of us would 4v5 and win. Eventually their carries got to the point where we really needed that 5th and we lost ;(

Cybsled_sl said:

I was in a pub game today we could have totally won, but our nightstalker kept trying to solo kill shit and he got raped, while the rest of us would 4v5 and win. Eventually their carries got to the point where we really needed that 5th and we lost ;(

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This is the worse.

Im guilty of tower diving when someone has 1 hit left myself, but I usually abstain and wait for the right time. These type of fucktards though, noooooo, fuck it! Who cares if I die and am out of lane on top of losing money and feeding my opponent! I ALMOST HAD HIM.

I was completely off my game yesterday. Got nobody to blame but myself really. I'm glad I wasn't playing with FoH or I would be super embarrassed. First game was an all random where I got visage. Now last time I played visage I went something like 17-2. This game, I was playing with my new corsair mouse, and my push to talk button was one of my mouse buttons, which had also been bound to numpad 0. Long story short I kept fucking up my micro with gargoyles, plus my team was bad but damnit I wasn't helping.

Second game I went chaos knight and absolutely shit stormed everywhere. Tried to kill Jugg at level 3ish and he whirl winded me to death. The thing is I new better, and new I was going to die. Jug ended up double killing and it just got worse from there.

There are some days you just play super off. What separates the people that can climb out of the drudges, and the people who complain they can't get out because of "ELO hell" is recognizing when you do bad. I didn't have a chance to play my go to stomp hero (QoP) because GoT was on. But damn if I'd probably lose with her that day too. It's better to just take a break when your doing bad lest you get into bad habits. I'm going to review those games tonight and see what I did so bad (Although I already know kind of). I feel forcing me into that situation again might help shame me to never be in that point again.

BTW Undying is super powerful almost through the whole game. Sure very late he isn't OP (o god), but most pubs don't focus down his tombstone. He is probably one of the top 3 strongest laners in the game along with top 3 tower divers.

I think the key to low tier games for some of the newer players is to be social and find teammates to group up with. If you can get a 4 or 5 man team going who are all competent you will most likely have fun even if playing cheese heroes. Was on a horrible losing streak, ended up friending some kid who is a god with pudge, and have won 5 straight now. It seems I somehow play better when my team is playing well, its hard to explain. I almost NEVER have a game where I am doing well in spite of my team blowing goats.

Sadly I use Viper, so Im kind of a fag myself, but only because everyone else picks cheese. I might try maining Undying though. Im just trying to figure his item build. He needs mana regen bad but most people stop after ring of B and just go vanguard. I tried it and didnt like. I think Im going to grab a void stone or a soul ring or something and then stack damage and str.

I always build arcane boots on undying. I also like picking up a mek if no one else on the team is building one (way better than shitty vanguard imo). it gives him another heal, extra armor to tank, and a better team fight presence.

i think vanguard is pretty bad in general. i think getting a mek on ranged heroes like razor and viper is MUCH better if you were going to buy a vanguard.

I see Bristleback is the new game ruining hero.

Thats the problem with this game. Its fun sometimes, but most of the time its just a bunch of frustration due to stupid fucking heroes. Tusk is a great example of this. People dont really bitch about him too much because he didnt make people nerd-rage like PL has been this patch, but honestly that hero is fucking bullshit too. Spirit Breaker same thing. The list goes on and on. There are very few games where games are truly "balanced".

My perspective is low tier so take it for what you will, but when you have a good sniper with his faster last hit potential, superior range and finishing ability he either tips the scales in his teams favor dramatically or "re-balances" the game when he gets to a certain point (before then the other team was winning with say, early Lina and SBreaker). The problem is usually the Sniper is on the team with Lina and most games get out of hand and player skill usually takes a back seat unless someone is playing at autistic levels and are 1-14 or some shit.

Those two heroes are easily countered with wards. Spirit breaker dies very fast if focused, same for Tusk. The whole idea behind both of them is getting ganks to get items, they will crush pubs. The heroes aren't supposed to be "balanced" that's the whole point of dota. There's carries, supports, ganks, etc. and they play their roles. If you let them excel at their role they're going to be insane. For instance: I just finished a game where we got shat on the whole game but were able to last long enough for our sniper to get gear. Sniper stood in the back and was shooting out 800dmg crits 3 times a second and wiped their team single handedly. Because that's what he does when he gets farm. Dota isn't a game of pick 5v5 teams and mash them in to eachother and whoever wins is fucking imbalanced. It's a game of strategy where you have to counter the other teams strategy or make your own that allows you to win.

If you want a "balanced" game where all the heroes are extremely similar, do similar damage and have almost no variance. Then League of Legends is your game.

Sutekh_sl said:

Those two heroes are easily countered with wards. Spirit breaker dies very fast if focused, same for Tusk. The whole idea behind both of them is getting ganks to get items, they will crush pubs. The heroes aren't supposed to be "balanced" that's the whole point of dota. There's carries, supports, ganks, etc. and they play their roles. If you let them excel at their role they're going to be insane. For instance: I just finished a game where we got shat on the whole game but were able to last long enough for our sniper to get gear. Sniper stood in the back and was shooting out 800dmg crits 3 times a second and wiped their team single handedly. Because that's what he does when he gets farm. Dota isn't a game of pick 5v5 teams and mash them in to eachother and whoever wins is fucking imbalanced. It's a game of strategy where you have to counter the other teams strategy or make your own that allows you to win.

If you want a "balanced" game where all the heroes are extremely similar, do similar damage and have almost no variance. Then League of Legends is your game.

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this post and your pl posts boggle the mind sutekh!

Seriously, are you the same person?

I feel PL is out of control on a different level. He benefits SO WELL from Diffusal blade that it stops being a situational item and it's a must have for him. Because once you get it you just upped your damage by double or even triple. That's not right. I think reducing the orb for illusions would easily put the hero in line.

Sudeko is right though. People were fucking crazy about drow but pl is ok?

I never said PL wasn't a bitch much, its just Sutekh just said 3 posts up that bristleback now ruins games, he never says anything without hyperbole about what the hell is raping him and why he is rage quitting till patch *.*. Hence the confusion when he posts a semi rational post about hero power and how it scales.

Jozu_sl said:

Thats the problem with this game. Its fun sometimes, but most of the time its just a bunch of frustration due to stupid fucking heroes. Tusk is a great example of this. People dont really bitch about him too much because he didnt make people nerd-rage like PL has been this patch, but honestly that hero is fucking bullshit too. Spirit Breaker same thing. The list goes on and on. There are very few games where games are truly "balanced".

My perspective is low tier so take it for what you will, but when you have a good sniper with his faster last hit potential, superior range and finishing ability he either tips the scales in his teams favor dramatically or "re-balances" the game when he gets to a certain point (before then the other team was winning with say, early Lina and SBreaker). The problem is usually the Sniper is on the team with Lina and most games get out of hand and player skill usually takes a back seat unless someone is playing at autistic levels and are 1-14 or some shit.

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Sniper is such a shit hero, but like any carry, with infinite time and space to farm he will kill your team. If you understand that the game can't go for 30-40-50 minutes then pick heroes that win fast and early against the carry heavy picking that happens in low tier. If you understand that aspect of dota, you should be able to climb out of low tier with simple notions like 5 man pushing against an opposing team with 3 hard melee carries. Just push early. Go get towers get more items and abuse the power of the heroes you have vs their heroes.