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TecKnoe

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Daly_sl said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...cing_ixdlopen/
On the topic of the shitty mm. IxMike released the client for everyone and there's an open league now.
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You know after watching merlini and some others play in ixdl matches the skill level seemed pretty sub par i can only imagine what the flood gates will bring in...
Ill check it out since everyone there i guess has some idea how dota matches should go, so even if its slightly better than MM itl be worth it.

Only way to play it like someone mentioned was with a friend or two, or if you can manage your own inhouses with 10 competent players.
 
Pyros

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Wow the model looks awesome, it's not a cow anymore but it's a ton better than the portrait blue man shit they had before.

Looking forward to him being added to -cm, as he was heavily used as an offlaner, he can kill shit with his spirit from safe range and his super long disable makes him hard to kill, plus high health pool, good movement speed especially with the ghost buff and he has super strong teamfight just because of his aura and ulti.
 
Sutekh

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That was announced a month or so ago. That's why you've been seeing him play Rubick and absolutely carry the FUCK out of the team on Rubick. I think they also need to ditch Bdiz, the dude is terrible. Ofcourse he should be replaced with Merlini :p Kicking Maelk off the active rooster is a very good idea however. He's seen much better days and is just holding them back at this point.

Also FUCK YEAH THE LINA SET IS IN THE RECENT PATCH!!!!
 
Pyros

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Oh also in the update 2 of this patch, they added - Enabled Bristleback, Skywrath Mage, and Slark to Captain's Mode (Tournament Version). Might see some quills but most likely we'll see some skywrath.

They just need Abaddon, TC(Elder Titan) and Terrorblade to finish the dota1 roster in -cm. Maybe Pit Lord too but I think he's not in. Oh and Techies but fuck Techies. Rest are heroes that aren't in -cm in dota1 yet, either cause new or remade.

Abaddon was well underway last week already, waiting on cyborgmatt shit to see if they made progress but should be added soonish, so I think both him and TC will be available for TI3 easily. Don't know shit about Terrorblade, next hero they've been working on is Legion Commander apparently.
 
Sutekh

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yeah almost nothing has been mentioned about Terrorblade or any of the newer dota heroes like Winter Warden, Ember Spirit, Arc Warden etc. I'd have to imagine we'll be seeing Abbadon and Legion Commander very soon.
 
Chysamere

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I'm done with Dota until they get rid of this mute bullshit. Play with a team of Brasilians, on US west, and you don't speak Spanish? All report! You can't play properly for 24 hours!
 
Sutekh

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I've found not talking period is the best solution. Also you can just make a smurf account for free and play on that. and it takes more than 4 people to get you muted. So you were probably a dick to someone else.
 
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I don't speak in games unless spoken to directly, and just completely ignore anyone who decides to talk shit. Removes that problem for me.
 
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Legion Commander and Abbadon in the background?! Double hero patch next?!
 
Jozu

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No the mute system in place is fucking garbage. I didnt even talk type, nothing and I got a 24 mute ban. ALl because I picked Viper and went 29-1 and straight layed waste to a team and they were raging. SO they just all reported me for abuse, and alas, im muted. Its fucking stupid.

With that said, im having a blast playing Slardar. If you get a good lane mate and actually get last hits and get treads and a desolator, he is looooooooooooooool.
 
Sutekh

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Desolator isn't even that great of an item on him, it's situational at best. But if you get an early advantage with him he's a fucking terror and can easily carry a team.
 
Dandai

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When is the best time to get a desolator? I thought armor reduction was always useful.

Edit: Decided to google it. I liked this explanation best on why it's not everything it's cracked up to be:

Food for thought:

1000 hp guy w/ 6 armor = 1360 ehp --> deso --> 1000 hp, 73.52%, 26.48% reduced

1000 hp guy w/ 12 armor = 1720 ehp --> deso --> 1360 hp, 79.07%, 20.93% reduced

1000 hp guy w/ 18 armor = 2080 ehp --> deso --> 1720 hp, 82.69%, 17.31% reduced

1000 hp guy w/ 24 armor = 2440 ehp --> deso --> 2080 hp, 85.24%, 14.76% reduced

So yes, it does get less and less effective, but even with 24 (TWENTY FOUR) armor, deso still shaves off 14.8% of their physical ehp, compared to 26.5% from a guy with 6 armor (SIX).

I think 15 armor is more typical of a carry. Deso vs a 15 armor enemy:
100 hp guy w/ 15 armor = 1900 ehp --> deso --> 1540 ehp, 81.00%, 19.00%

Now, the thing is, this math only works out if you attack them when their hp is full. Otherwise you'll just have to go with a damage amplification formula.

Since these ehp calculations are all percentage based, reducing 6 armor from a 2000 hp enemy will shave off twice as much EHP as that -6 armor would to a 1000 hp enemy.

Conclusion:
Desolator still retains its effectiveness even if it does get somewhat weaker as enimies bulk up on armor. Desolator gets better the more hp enemies have, and weaker (somewhat) with the more armor they have. Because enemies will get both, more hp AND more armor, it is sort of a push and pull on deso's effectiveness.

Personally I think deso is better than people give it credit for.
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Ridas

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You normally want to start fights with Slardar. You need a blink for it and if you want to have a higher chance for surviving you will try to get a BkB.

If you are playing lower brackets, then just screw the above and go Deso/AC whatever for the lulz.
 
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Kind of an odd explanation, desolator is a debuff. It doesn't stack with itself, and the proc is considered a unique modifier, so it doesn't stack with lifesteal either. Having a desolator is rarely a bad pickup in any game, but often time it gets overlooked because its not as important as say as an item like BKB on many heroes that might otherwise be a very good candidate for an early deso. Keep in mind that because desolator is a proc it affects the physical damage output of your whole team. So if you have a couple semi carries or a couple harder physical carries its very good to have because it does more than amp one guys damage, and stacking minus armor can put some heroes in a nearly impossible situation to survive, BH/TA/Slardar all have methods of reducing armor through skills they have as an example, so they can go negative armor in some cases at the timing of the game.

Many times the deso is skipped because it can't afford to be made first because of the necessity of say a bkb. Situationally on many of the heroes that may consider building it, game state may prioritize another item over the deso. Something like an MKB may be the order of the day to strip butterfly's evasion. Or a manta to strip numerous debuffs. The deso is definitely a rapid snowball item much of the time, and shouldn't be underrated. But things like BKB's delay its purchase, and others like helm of the dominator occupy the unique effect.
 
Pyros

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Meh I feel Deso is overrated, just get a medallion, you can get it WAY earlier, can also rosh at like 12-15mins with 3people with Slardar+medallion, and mana regen isn't a bad thing for slardar either. Blink is good too, however in pubs blinking in with a non overfarmed slardar results in swiftdeath and not much accomplished. You either need good coordination or you need to already be quite tanky to blink in then fight. You also need someone with arcane boots to give you mana because his mana pool is shit. It has advantages, I prefer going drums and just going fast.

But yeah if you get an edge carry slardar is scary as fuck because he literally 2shots people with only a deso+his ulti.
 
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