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Nutron_sl

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So not only did Mouse lose, but apparently they shat in 2GD's breakfast judging by the ranting he's doing!
decision making was pretty poor in that game...14k gold on am...but 4 second bkb....selling heart for MKB instead of bf.... windrunner BASHER... like comon...
 

Pyros

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decision making was pretty poor in that game...14k gold on am...but 4 second bkb....selling heart for MKB instead of bf.... windrunner BASHER... like comon...
He had a 8secs bkb in the last fight, granted he could have had 2secs more, but he died regardless. He sold heart for abyssal, not mkb. Should have sold Bfury for abyssal though, or kept the bfury to swap when he needed to push. Should have just bought 2 bfury and 2couriers and spread them around the map in case he needed to push quick. WR items were definitely retarded but the main issue is how unprepared they were for lategame with their other carries other than AM. Furion still had a book, WR never got any fucking farm and she ended the game at a support level of farm even though she should have been farming and getting items as lategame WR is actually a very good carry(sheep agh daedelus mkb bot then one item of your choice like force or bkb, shit's scary as fuck with focus fire). So in the end LGD had 2 super farmed strong tanky ranged carries and a super farmed enigma vs a super farmed but squishy AM and a 5slots furion and 3 supports. Oh and LGD had bat too.

They also fed them 15k xp and almost 10k gold in 15mins from 35 to 50, by just doing random fucking shit even though they had the superior farming lineup and had control over the game.
 

Genjiro

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decision making was pretty poor in that game...14k gold on am...but 4 second bkb....selling heart for MKB instead of bf.... windrunner BASHER... like comon...
Even though MSS is a pro, did you watch the match? The chat bubble in the beginning said it was MSS's first EVER pro game on Antimage. In a knockout game for 10m, you're gonna give your carry a hero he has NEVER played? That's a lot of pressure to perform and its not like its some pub match where you can fuck up and still win. Granted, just having watched the game....they werent even getting chip damage on the tier 3s and fed Razor thousands of gold with treants + necro units. Those lvl 3 necro units are worth 200g each and he killed them over and over and over before they ever even got to the t3 towers.

Some horrid decision making in that game for sure though, Pajkatt blinking up from the river into 4 heroes while his team was running up the steps and they just turn and instagib him. The split pushing was the horrific part. They werent split pushing 2 lanes at the same time forcing LGD to take damage on each tower. Fail in every way but I actually can't put that loss on a guy who has never played that hero in pro dota before. The decision making on AM on when to push and farm and fight is something you get from playing that hero in some real games imo.
 

earthfell

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Even though MSS is a pro, did you watch the match? The chat bubble in the beginning said it was MSS's first EVER pro game on Antimage. In a knockout game for 10m, you're gonna give your carry a hero he has NEVER played? That's a lot of pressure to perform and its not like its some pub match where you can fuck up and still win. Granted, just having watched the game....they werent even getting chip damage on the tier 3s and fed Razor thousands of gold with treants + necro units. Those lvl 3 necro units are worth 200g each and he killed them over and over and over before they ever even got to the t3 towers.

Some horrid decision making in that game for sure though, Pajkatt blinking up from the river into 4 heroes while his team was running up the steps and they just turn and instagib him. The split pushing was the horrific part. They werent split pushing 2 lanes at the same time forcing LGD to take damage on each tower. Fail in every way but I actually can't put that loss on a guy who has never played that hero in pro dota before. The decision making on AM on when to push and farm and fight is something you get from playing that hero in some real games imo.
I was listening to the Tobi + whoever else that was commentary, and the second they picked AM both were really shocked, and they both predicted almost to a T exactly how the game would play out with the AM pick before the game even started.
 

Pyros

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Well picking AM into Razor(static link+eye of the storm vs melees), Viper(viper strike+his orb against melees), Enigma(black hole against melees) and Batrider(lasso) was already a pretty fucking retarded choice. It's no wonder they were surprised cause the pick was fairly dumb, you don't pick a melee carry into this lineup, even a tanky one which AM isn't, he's just gonna have a horrible time. On top of that those 2 carries actually build tanky which makes it harder, for example while Drow or Luna are very good against melees, they're also squishy bitches and if AM blinks on them and abyssal them he can fold them instantly, not so much when the first items the enemy carries build are aghanim into heart or shit like that.

They had a good window of opportunity however to simply outfarm and starve them with prophet split pushing all lanes safely forcing them into the base while AM clears basically everything else on the map(ancient to ancient clearing jungle on the way). Then at 45mins your AM is 6slots, your furion is 6slots, and you force a fight in the base and win it while their carries are outfarmed. Instead they started taking fights, playing sloppy, fed solo kills left and right(not even like 5man smoke type, just herpderp let's try to gank them 3vs5). If you looked at the graphs at the time, I don't think Tobi was showing them but not sure, they fed them SO MUCH XP. Gold not that much but still enough that the gold lead was basically not increasing the entire time, but xp is a big deal when the enemy team is 5manning non stop and staying in the base, that means when you finally push they're vastly underleveled making it easier. Instead in like 10mins they had fed Witch Doctor enough xp to go from lvl 11 to lvl 16, and you definitely don't want to do that because WD's lvl 16 ulti is A LOT stronger than lvl 11 since it adds a bounce to it on top of obviously increasing dmg.

After that it was just a slow death, they fucked up capitalizing on their advantage, ruined it then couldn't fight anymore because the way they had been playing didn't let them win at equal farm, only if they were ahead. If they had farmed WR a lot in the meantime and made better item choices I think they would have stood a chance. They needed a vlad for AM, Furion needed to be full combat(necro fucking sucks at 45+mins, put it on a courier and buy an AC or mjolnir or crit or bkb) and WR needed to have at least 3 strong combat item, preferably sheepstick mkb daedalus. With that I think they can take fights and win, if Rubick steals blackhole.

They just showed how inexperienced they were in lategame while LGD in typical chinese fashion showed they can handle it just fine against a team that's not flat out superior to them.
 

Genjiro

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Oh they fed them a shitfuckington of gold. Synderen pointed out from the 35-->50 min mark Razor jumped 15k net worth while Pajkatts NP got a whopping 3k, how the fuck is that even possible. And this is while LGD is sitting in their base. Razor just ate his trees and necro units + creep waves outside of the tier 3s every time they pushed 1 lane at a time. They werent even split pushing more than 1 lane. Enigma+ Bat + Razor + WD cask bounces, Mouz basically just fed them gold in their base for 30 mins until they got fat enough to push out and skullfuck them.

That was one of the worst NP performances I've seen in a long time by a pro player.
 

Byr

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TI4 drama. GameFy took a video of DK while they were drafting and put it up on the internet. Sadly I cannot find a copy of this video as it was taken down everywhere pretty quickly.
 

Obtenor_sl

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I'm getting fucking tired of the stacks.

I keep losing over over to 5 man stacks and on my side we aren't stacked. I thought they had fixed that bullshit. 6 games lost TODAY to this crap.
 

Ossoi

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I don't even see how EG/DK/IG are even related to this conversation? Neither one of them are denominations of other teams. No one sponsored those teams because "having another team increases your chance of winning!"
Except the more than likely didn't sponsor NAR to actually win TI. Like I said before, the team was made to compete in TI5 and if they were sponsoring them they knew that full and well.

Are you always this stupid? Scratch that, we already know that answer.
actually you must be a complete fucking cretin. You've obviously never been remotely good at any competitive sport - e-sport or real sport, because real athletes, no matter how low down the ladder they are, will always enter any tournament with DREAMS if not actual ambition of winning the whole thing.

Plus with the prize pools being as big as they are, all it takes is for Navi.US to finish in the cash spots for the initial investment in their squad to pay off and then some in TI4
 

niss_sl

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To summarize the results so far:
1 cn Vici Gaming 12 3
2 us Evil Geniuses 11 4
3 cn DK 10 5
4 cn Invictus Gaming 9 6
5 ua Natus Vincere 8 7
6 world Cloud 9 8 7
7 us Team Liquid 8 7
8 my Titan 8 7
9 world Mousesports 7 8
9 cn Newbee 7 8
9 cn LGD Gaming 7 8
12 eu Fnatic 6 9
13 ru Team Empire 6 9
14 se The Alliance 6 9
15 us Natus Vincere NA 5 10
16 my Arrow Gaming 2 13
LGD to 16 are permanently eliminated.#1-2 advance to main event winners bracket. Others have to duke it out.


Most surprised by:
EG doing so damn well.

Most dissapointed by:
Fanatic and empire going out. I really enjoy watching them

Most happy by:
Fuck you alliance. Go back home you shitheads.
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niss_sl

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The International 2014: Playoffs Phase Three - Liquipedia Dota 2 Wiki
Just look at liquipedia, your results are wrong because you don't have the tiebreakers
Such strong words there. What part of "the rest have to duke it out" was wrong?

edit: oh and the standings are different than the other website. I got mine of joindota.com. Which one is more accurate then?
edit#2: Nevermind I see what you mean.

Up-to-date standings:
1. Vici Gaming Vici Gaming 12-3
2. Evil Geniuses Evil Geniuses 11-4
3. Team DK Team DK 10-5
4. Invictus Gaming Invictus Gaming 9-6
5. Natus Vincere Natus Vincere 1 8-7
6. Cloud 9 Cloud 9 1 8-7
7. Team Liquid Team Liquid 2 8-7
8. Titan Titan 2 8-7
9. Newbee Newbee 7-8
10. LGD Gaming LGD Gaming 7-8
11. Mousesports mousesports 7-8
12. Alliance Alliance 3 6-9
13. Team Empire Team Empire 3 6-9
14. Fnatic Fnatic 3 6-9
15. Na'Vi North America Na'Vi North America 5-10
16. Arrow Gaming Arrow Gaming 2-13
 

Caal

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Picks Brew to give Naga space.

Give Brew to Demon.

Lose.

I mean, it's just so interesting to watch simple decisions like buying arcane boots before the blink mean everything. Centaur rotates, gets a huge kill. Demon rotates, does fucking nothing. Then the supports try to rotate to Demon's lane, and attempts to kill a fucking Viper. Game ends. So silly.
 

Genjiro

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Teams need to stop fucking drafting Razor just because everyone else is doing it, especially TC he sucks so much cock on that hero.
 

Cyni

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Yah I really don't get all the Razor love this tournament. 40% winrate and EVERYONE keeps picking that shitty hero. So dumb.

Play your own game. Your own style. Copying this kind of thing just isnt gonna work.