Dune: Part Two (2023)

Aldarion said:

Its hilarious how all the leftists are criticizing this as "colonizer fiction". (e.g. CNN)

Complaining about colonizers. On an alien planet. The ones who get there first are magically the good guys and the ones who get there second are automatically the bad guys.

The funniest part is how thinking about their complaints for even a second highlights how stupid the colonizer complaints are in real life. Because its exactly the same -- the second to last to arrive are heros, and the last to arrive are villains.

Its just more obviously stupid when its an alien planet and neither one has any claim to being "native".

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Uhhh....that's basically how I feel. First to show up is king of that piece of dirt. It's claimed at that point. Second to show up is an invader if uninvited. The thing I take issue with is thinking there's some sort of moral obligation for conquerors to repay the conquered.

Both things can be true. The first to arrive has the claim to the dirt, and that claim means fuckall if they're conquered by an outside force.

Aldarion said:

Bandwagon, my point is theyre both (fremen and empire) literally alien invaders. neither has some kind of inherent right to the planet. It makes the colonizer complaint ridiculous.

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We agree that the colonizer complaint is more or less ridiculous anyways. (Or, at least, it's ridiculous to automatically view 'colonizer' as a negative, absent any context whatsoever)

My viewpoint essentially comes down to "first come, first serve" and "might makes right". In both instances, "colonizer" is relevant. In both instances, "colonizer" has no moral implications whatsoever.

Regime said:

I colonized the AMC bathrooms afterwards if that helps.

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I've heard Folder say the same thing, but I don't think he knows what that word means

Kirun said:

There's something about Zendaya that is kind of hot and I'm not really a fan of the purple puss 99% of the time, nor do I have Jungle Fever. Zoe Saldana is another one that I find hot as fuck for some weird reason.

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Right there with ya buddy. I didn't like her at all before and expected her to ruin this movie for me, but I liked her in it.

Physically, I'm attracted to regular ass women. I don't like makeup, high heels or nails. An authentic farm/ranch girl is exactly what I like, and I don't care if she's in Carhartt and shit kickers or if she's barefoot and wearing a dress. Personality wise, a lot of the women in the UFC are my cup of tea. Legitimately tough women that just strive to be excellent human beings....not girls that are trying to prove they're better than the boys.

I thought Denis and Zendaya did a great job threading the needle with her in this movie, in that regard. She was 90% angry tough cunt / 10% swooning love interest. If she hadn't had a few flirty & sweet moments with Paul, I don't think I'd feel the same way. Same is true if the percentages were flipped.

I recognize that I'm an outlier with the type of women I like and liking Zendaya is a wildly unpopular opinion here, but I was really surprised with how much I liked her in this movie. I think you'd be hard pressed to have written and acted a better woman for --me--. As far as I'm concerned....credit where credit is due.

As far as how well she matches the Chani from the books? Fuck if I know and I'm not going to defend anything in that regard.

Edit: just for a little extra context, Charlize Theron in Fury Road and Michelle Rodriguez in Avatar 1 are some of the hottest examples I can think of off the top of my head. So if you're one of those guys that likes princesses and bimbos, feel free to ignore my opinion.

Oh, and I think this prediction ended up being barely half correct. Walken wasn't really over the top, but he wasn't as terrifying as I'd hoped.

Bandwagon said:

I have the utmost confidence in Villeneuve's ability to make Walken terrifying without being over the top.

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