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It is if you want to know what you're getting and have it work instead of keeping your eyes closed and hoping she is what you want.
Engagement rings
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Ishad
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You can't really get an emerald cut. So your sol if that's what she wants.
I got the wife some moissanite earrings based on the original foh recommendation from tuco. Wife loves them, they have held up really well.
lindz
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That is such crap.
I wanted a diamond, but I the least materialistic woman I know. I don't buy shoes, bags, jewelry, makeup or the multitude of other useless crap so many woman buy. Give me a computer and a good game and I am totally happy. Silly to think you can judge a woman by whether or not she prefers a diamond for her engagement ring.
Falstaff
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It's not judging for the want of the diamond ring. It's judging on the cognitive dissonance of wanting a diamond ring after being told how much they're actually worth and how much of a "tradition" it really is.
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This is pretty much the ring my wife chose for herself, except that hers is a blue sapphire instead of a pink one:
She likes sapphires. She saw it and chose it right away, and has never so much as hinted that she wanted anything else. Of course, she might pull an "upgrade" stunt a few years down the road... but who knows. She probably won't. She's the most frugal person I've ever known.
Oh, and she can't stand diamonds. So... win!
She likes sapphires. She saw it and chose it right away, and has never so much as hinted that she wanted anything else. Of course, she might pull an "upgrade" stunt a few years down the road... but who knows. She probably won't. She's the most frugal person I've ever known.
Oh, and she can't stand diamonds. So... win!
Tuco
I got Tuco'd!
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Yeah I don't think telling your woman you're not getting her a diamond is a materialism test as much as an intelligence and independent thinking test, or in many cases simply an information test. If all a woman has heard is that diamonds are far apart the best clear stone then it's not her fault she believes it. But once you're exposed to the information that it's bullshit it's intelligence/capacity for independent thinking that separates women.
Additionally diamonds reflect light without rainbows. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is a matter of opinion. Frankly I think the left is more beautiful than the right, but I can see how someone would disagree. I also think that someone would disagree based on that the right is diamond, but that's their beetle in the box.
Strictly speaking moissanite has a mohs of 9.5 and diamond is 10.0Heylel_sl said:
Additionally diamonds reflect light without rainbows. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is a matter of opinion. Frankly I think the left is more beautiful than the right, but I can see how someone would disagree. I also think that someone would disagree based on that the right is diamond, but that's their beetle in the box.
Quineloe
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I bought my wife's ring atwww.uniondiamond.com
Did a little recon first to find out what cut and what types of settings she liked, then just perused their inventory and picked one that fit some of my arbitrary criteria (close to colorless, no visible inclusions, close to a 1:1 square face [princess cut]). I picked out the diamond and the setting separately and they assembled and had it mailed to me within a week or two.
On the topic of diamonds being a superficial marketing trick: I think you just have to put logic aside for certain things. I'm sure some women are superficial about it and just want the status of having an expensive diamond, but some women just want a diamond ring because it's like a fairy tale come true for them. I was completely OK with spending more just to make her dream come true. If your girlfriend is really on board with moissanite, then go for it, but realize that you are still paying thousands for a shiny rock for her finger.
Yes, it's entirely possible that I could have sat down with my then-girlfriend and talked with her about all the cons of buying a diamond ring, and it's entirely possible that she would have completely agreed with me and our lives continued exactly the same way as they are today except with more money in the bank. However, if you are thinking of proposing then you have to realize that romantic gestures mean alotto women. Few things are more romantic to a girl than a guy making her dreams come true, and pretty much every girl in the world dreams of a diamond ring and a fairy tale wedding. Talking to her first about the optical clarity and cost of moissanite compared to diamond just seems like it takes some of the romance out of the gesture. I realize it's not a rational decision and I realize that in terms of carats and clarity vs. cost it is not efficient compared to moissanite, but ultimately I just didn't care because I was buying her ring, not mine. I am not belittling anyone who does go with moissanite or a different stone, I am just sharing my point of view as a guy who understood the ridiculousness of the diamond industry but still went ahead and bought a diamond engagement ring.
Did a little recon first to find out what cut and what types of settings she liked, then just perused their inventory and picked one that fit some of my arbitrary criteria (close to colorless, no visible inclusions, close to a 1:1 square face [princess cut]). I picked out the diamond and the setting separately and they assembled and had it mailed to me within a week or two.
On the topic of diamonds being a superficial marketing trick: I think you just have to put logic aside for certain things. I'm sure some women are superficial about it and just want the status of having an expensive diamond, but some women just want a diamond ring because it's like a fairy tale come true for them. I was completely OK with spending more just to make her dream come true. If your girlfriend is really on board with moissanite, then go for it, but realize that you are still paying thousands for a shiny rock for her finger.
Yes, it's entirely possible that I could have sat down with my then-girlfriend and talked with her about all the cons of buying a diamond ring, and it's entirely possible that she would have completely agreed with me and our lives continued exactly the same way as they are today except with more money in the bank. However, if you are thinking of proposing then you have to realize that romantic gestures mean alotto women. Few things are more romantic to a girl than a guy making her dreams come true, and pretty much every girl in the world dreams of a diamond ring and a fairy tale wedding. Talking to her first about the optical clarity and cost of moissanite compared to diamond just seems like it takes some of the romance out of the gesture. I realize it's not a rational decision and I realize that in terms of carats and clarity vs. cost it is not efficient compared to moissanite, but ultimately I just didn't care because I was buying her ring, not mine. I am not belittling anyone who does go with moissanite or a different stone, I am just sharing my point of view as a guy who understood the ridiculousness of the diamond industry but still went ahead and bought a diamond engagement ring.
Heylel
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While true, I also got her a $70 necklace on sale for half price for Valentine's which she absolutely adored and wears every day. Actually, I think she liked the roses even more than that. So it's really just gestures that she appreciates.
Unless her friends start getting involved, that is. She's already got two friends who just assume we're going to get married, both of whom are self-perceived best friends who seem to think they have some right to be consulted in what I pick. I flatly refused to accommodate that. If I'm spending the money on *her*, no third party is going to tell me what I should buy or how much. That shit ain't kosher.
Unless her friends start getting involved, that is. She's already got two friends who just assume we're going to get married, both of whom are self-perceived best friends who seem to think they have some right to be consulted in what I pick. I flatly refused to accommodate that. If I'm spending the money on *her*, no third party is going to tell me what I should buy or how much. That shit ain't kosher.
Gravel
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The ring I originally wanted to get my wife was a diamond with sapphires on each side. I thought it looked pretty awesome.This is pretty much the ring my wife chose for herself, except that hers is a blue sapphire instead of a pink one:
She likes sapphires. She saw it and chose it right away, and has never so much as hinted that she wanted anything else. Of course, she might pull an "upgrade" stunt a few years down the road... but who knows. She probably won't. She's the most frugal person I've ever known.
Oh, and she can't stand diamonds. So... win!
Tuco
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Here's an important distinction: If you settle on a budget for a ring you can get a vastly better ring if you go with moissanite. If you're normal and want to spend $2000 on a ring you can get a very forgettable and unimpressive diamond ring or you can get an incredible setting (Or in my case a unique one) and a massive, perfect 1 carat moissanite. To me the question wasn't "Do I want to spend $8000 or $1000"? It was, "Do I want a meh ring or a great one for what I can spend?".
I know my wife is much happier with the ring she got than what she would've gotten had I not explained moissanite to her. The price would've been roughly the same.
lindz
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Fair enough. I may have done the ring thing differently given what I know now. 19 year olds are stupid though.
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Big Phoenix
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Diamonds are the biggest scam since ponzi, youre a fool if you buy one for a girl and the girl is a idiot if she wants one.
For all these diamonds vs moissanite folks, why not get a cubic zirconia and save real $? Seems funny to scoff at diamonds because of the cost when moissanite is a huge rip off, too.
