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Elderan

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They should totally add bazaar to classic either way though. Fuck having to manually trade. Fuck, I just hate speaking to people in that context. "Would you accept..." no and don't talk to me unless you're gonna pay what I clearly said. "Can I offer you..." no and fuck you. I hate having to be that guy to buy shit sometimed even more. Anyone who prefers ec to the bazaar is probably a cunt and I hope you're offended.
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Weird thing is some people actually like the whole commonlands tunnel trading thing. Its probably the same people who like to hire women to step on their balls with high heel shoes though.


Zog said:
March was a much better time to launch a TLP... This May shit fucks the whole cycle. I blame cyberpunk and for what? Shit game that fizzled out faster than Miragul.
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Yep march was prefect, mid summer makes no sense. I have always said they should release two a year with differing ruleset. One in march and one in september.
 
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yerm

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Let's see
Classic/Kunark together - Very good
Velious/Luclin together - Very good, can go right into AAs and Velious will still get some use, just not nearly as much, and mainly by B-tier raiders.
PoP/LoY/LDoN together - Good, if only because it'll save some time. I assume LoY would buck the pairing convention for this one round since it always gets added to PoP anyway now.
GoD/OoW together - Very good, these were supposed to be one huge expansion in the first place, according to some. GoD would still get plenty of gearing-up use.
DoN/DoD together - Good, prevents a lapse in having new AAs, and shortens the 70 era.
PoR/TSS together - Decent, prevents another AA lapse, however PoR would likely get very little use since TSS has such an abundance of raids and is a bit of a gear reset.
TBS/SoF together - Decent, prevents another AA lapse, but TBS would get like no use except by lower-tier raid guilds.
SoD/UF together - Decent, this is a point where stronger guilds are doing UF but a lot of guilds struggle, so SoD would get a ton of use.
HoT/VoA together - Bad, this is the point where the pairings become a content overload and cause people to skip large amounts of it, which will then give you attrition.
RoF/CotF together - Good, because CotF is a mess and a drop-off point for population.
TDS/EoK together - Bad, this is a massive content overload, TDS's raid zone would get like no use, etc.

Rest after that are also Bad tier. But it's a cool idea for a while, and the population would probably start to drop off around when it stops being a good idea anyway (post-UF).
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I like the sentiment but your pairings are weird. Any level increase expansion trivializes whatever comes before. God and oow are NOT a good grouping, nobody will sit in any god zones outside maybe some masochist doing bic. All the challenge is dead at 70 and who wants to pay 10-20k per mold or run ikkinz with oow out? You'd need to pair god with pop, as they're the same level and nobody will skip stuff like elementals and time. Likewise, por and tss, you can outright dodge por entirely. Maybe not a bad thing... but yeah tss just kills it. Then you repeat it with tbs.

So basically just take your idea and do not mismatch levels unless its at launch. Classic and kunark, then velious and luclin, then all the 65s, then either oow and don followed by dodh and por or just do all the 70s together. Then tss and tbs, then either stop bundling or only bundle sod and uf then stop.
 
Kirun

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Elderan said:
Weird thing is some people actually like the whole commonlands tunnel trading thing. Its probably the same people who like to hire women to step on their balls with high heel shoes though.
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Yeah, Mischief really made me realize that I won't set foot on another TLP that doesn't start with the Bazaar from day one. Holy fuck, I guess I was spoiled by Selo's, because I forgot how utterly fucking dogshit commons tunnel "trading" is.
 
Zog

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Kirun said:
Yeah, Mischief really made me realize that I won't set foot on another TLP that doesn't start with the Bazaar from day one. Holy fuck, I guess I was spoiled by Selo's, because I forgot how utterly fucking dogshit commons tunnel "trading" is.
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Why because you have to talk to people?
God forbid. A zone full of npcs selling shit, might as well just sell it in the cash shop and remove the middle man entirely at that point.
 
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Kirun

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Zog said:
Why because you have to talk to people?
God forbid. A zone full of npcs selling shit, might as well just sell it in the cash shop and remove the middle man entirely at that point.
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No, because I don't want to sit in a fucking zone with my thumb up my ass spamming a macro every 2 minutes. It's fucking stupid.
 
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Zog

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Kirun said:
No, because I don't want to sit in a fucking zone with my thumb up my ass spamming a macro every 2 minutes. It's fucking stupid.
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As opposed to the rest of the game that is... sitting in a zone with your thumb up your ass spamming a macro every few seconds.

To each their own.
 
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DickTrickle

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If you actually like playing the game -- you know, kill mobs and group and raid with people you know -- spending a bunch of time trying to sell your shit to strangers who want to haggle about everything isn't very fun. Even just buying stuff is a hassle sometimes because you can't always find a seller right away or they're semi-AFK half the time. Or, buying or selling, people who completely ignore things you say in your messages.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion as to whether someone thinks haggling in EC is a core part of the game or not.
 
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Animosity

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People dont even haggle anymore. Its 2 krono for my serpentine bracer or fuck off.
 
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Zog

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DickTrickle said:
If you actually like playing the game -- you know, kill mobs and group and raid with people you know -- spending a bunch of time trying to sell your shit to strangers who want to haggle about everything isn't very fun. Even just buying stuff is a hassle sometimes because you can't always find a seller right away or they're semi-AFK half the time. Or, buying or selling, people who completely ignore things you say in your messages.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion as to whether someone thinks haggling in EC is a core part of the game or not.
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Between the drama over the casinos and OOC politics, whats not to like? Sure, there's people with zero social skills and are looking to pay under and sell over value and want to be autists but thats on you. Those who dont want to sell in EC just sell it a discount and itll be gone in 1/2 a second, bottom tier leveling items should honestly be given away instead of trying to sell to dry markets.
 
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Zog said:
Between the drama over the casinos and OOC politics, whats not to like? Sure, there's people with zero social skills and are looking to pay under and sell over value and want to be autists but thats on you. Those who dont want to sell in EC just sell it a discount and itll be gone in 1/2 a second, bottom tier leveling items should honestly be given away instead of trying to sell to dry markets.
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What's the difference between sending a /tell "I'll buy that, where are you?" and "Thanks!" after you purchase it vs. just sorting through the bazaar?

Like, I'm genuinely curious what sort of AMAZING social experiences you think you're getting out of Commons. Or is it just typical, boomer nostalgia?
 
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Zog

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Kirun said:
What's the difference between sending a /tell "I'll buy that, where are you?" and "Thanks!" after you purchase it vs. just sorting through the bazaar?

Like, I'm genuinely curious what sort of AMAZING social experiences you think you're getting out of Commons. Or is it just typical, boomer nostalgia?
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I've had tons, I'm more sociable though. I like haggling and trading spreads. It's just another activity i can do in EQ, until luclin.

When the Bazaar hits i usually can't sell anything and spend most of my time offline with the trader up, while someone comes in soon after i setup to undercut everything and the cycle continues.

Damn near everything becomes easier to buy than get it, i think the game loses a lot from the Bazaar and up until recently it seems, was the general consensus.
 
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Zaide

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Zog said:
March was a much better time to launch a TLP... This May shit fucks the whole cycle. I blame cyberpunk and for what? Shit game that fizzled out faster than Miragul.
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Only one TLP ever launched in March afaik. Seven have launched in May.
 
Kirun

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Zog said:
I've had tons, I'm more sociable though. I like haggling and trading spreads. It's just another activity i can do in EQ, until luclin.

When the Bazaar hits i usually can't sell anything and spend most of my time offline with the trader up, while someone comes in soon after i setup to undercut everything and the cycle continues.

Damn near everything becomes easier to buy than get it, i think the game loses a lot from the Bazaar and up until recently it seems, was the general consensus.
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So you like commons because it more easily allows you to exploit idiots that don't know the value of items, got it. Figured as much.
 
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Zog

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Kirun said:
So you like commons because it more easily allows you to exploit idiots that don't know the value of items, got it. Figured as much.
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I figured this is the reason you guys hate the tunnel, you want that price and you're going to get it even if you have to sit there all day and bitch about it the whole time.
 
DickTrickle

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Day trading the EC tunnel to get krono is definitely the clearly superior path to playing the game.
 
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Zog said:
I figured this is the reason you guys hate the tunnel, you want that price and you're going to get it even if you have to sit there all day and bitch about it the whole time.
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Nah, I just like playing the actual fucking game instead of trying to scamaze an extra 2 krono out of a sale.
 
Zog

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Kirun said:
Nah, I just like playing the actual fucking game instead of trying to scamaze an extra 2 krono out of a sale.
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Well regardless, you'll get a classic start with tunnel or maybe if were lucky we can get luclin start but I doubt it. Everyone will still play it.

Can we just get selo with 3 month locks?
 
SorrowsEnd

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"Make Offer"

Those two words are the reason I never want to set foot in the EC tunnel or deal with craigslist or any other type of barter service again.

If you like the tunnel you have fucking mental problems.
 
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Zog

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SorrowsEnd said:
"Make Offer"

Those two words are the reason I never want to set foot in the EC tunnel or deal with craigslist or any other type of barter service again.

If you like the tunnel you have fucking mental problems.
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You have more in common with this guy than a lot of people.
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Might want to cool it with the mental problem insults.
 
SorrowsEnd

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Wasn't directing it towards you.

I was making a general statement towards the enjoyment of the tunnel interactions. It's anxiety inducing to me to have to try to barter at all.

As for mental problem insults...I've long stated that anyone who plays this game to the degree that basically all of us does they have something damaged within them. We are all a collection of broken toys.
 
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