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Another new player question for you guys- thanks for the help in advance and for helping with my last one.
My buddy plans to play a cleric and I'm deciding between wizard and mage. Maybe necro but less likely. We'll likely be doing mostly duo and group content (as convenient), and i don't anticipate doing much, if any, soloing.
What would the general pros and cons be for a mage vs wizard in both duo (with a cleric) and generally for groups? I know this undoubtedly changes through expansions, but I figure at least through around PoP or a bit beyond which will cover most of the first year or so.
My buddy plans to play a cleric and I'm deciding between wizard and mage. Maybe necro but less likely. We'll likely be doing mostly duo and group content (as convenient), and i don't anticipate doing much, if any, soloing.
What would the general pros and cons be for a mage vs wizard in both duo (with a cleric) and generally for groups? I know this undoubtedly changes through expansions, but I figure at least through around PoP or a bit beyond which will cover most of the first year or so.
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- - Once a player is above level 40, their secondary specialization skill cap (from Secondary Forte)
Secondary Forte is a level 55 AA
Secondary Forte is a level 55 AA
Some stuff is likely unkillable on the Vaniki server without AA, so it sounds likely that they reduced the required level to start gaining and spending AA, as well as the levels required to obtain said AA.
I imagine any AA from the current expansions unlocked can be spent. There's code support to easily do that in the network layer at least, and support for custom or serversided-only AAs.
I have done it on EQEmu before, on a client from over a decade ago:
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decaying skeletons immune to non magic weapons...
If you are right Secrets that does make Vaniki start to appear more interesting. i will definitely make a ranger if they allow endless quiver and AM3 at lvl 40, archery has some wonky rules in how its mitigated by npc defense so should be good.
If you are right Secrets that does make Vaniki start to appear more interesting. i will definitely make a ranger if they allow endless quiver and AM3 at lvl 40, archery has some wonky rules in how its mitigated by npc defense so should be good.
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Mages will be in high demand. Also, if Vaniki starts in GoD, you can go to the bazaar and get the focus items day 1, too.
Bards can get the magic song early, too.
Less AC, HP, Mana, ATK, Accuracy, Avoidance, lots of spells scale with level so even if you can cast them at lower level it will still be less useful. It's still also unclear if that's what they're doing.
10 levels is a ton in terms of attack caps, mana pool, AC soft caps is still a huge barrier. Sloppy heal chains and half the DPS afk is not going to cut it if you want to kill any raid mob 10 levels under cap even with some changes to make it a bit easier.
My biggest concern is the DPS balance is still pretty bad but we really just don't know because it is so unique. I think one of the biggest issues is going to be DPS's ability to drop agro because tank agro is going to be absolute garbage. That is likely going to make monk, necro and ranger (if they allow all archery AA regardless of level) really good initially. Bard is also potentially going to be really great because one resists will be even more paramount and two by the 75 era their AA dps is getting really good.
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removing AA would mean you can never really merge with live and it also would remove a ton of content. Letting you get AA lower level solves that, 10 weeks to get to 55 is alot more tolerable if you have AA to get. Then 8 more weeks at 60.
Without even more tweaks than we are talking about most raids will be straight up impossible anyway. Rathe council for example requires a lvl 64 mez. If you have ever leveled chardok from 50-60 you understand tanks mitigation purely from levels is night and day. It is entirely possible that even with AA restrictions removed that a ton of content is just straight up impossible in the era it unlocks.
Remember, too, that a lot of mitigation / avoidance is gone without having higher defense, offense, weaponskill, etc skillcaps. Defensive/Furious discipline, for instance, simply won't exist prior to 55/60 cap, so you'll be doing a lot of this content with knights tanking due to shields giving overcap AC (which is in short supply at 40, and considerably lower than 60 AC softcap)
All of those factors make the content impossible without mitigation/avoidance/ND AAs at bare minimum, and like others have said here, I don't think GoD will be doable, and later PoP zones will likely be impossible as well. Rathe Council cannot be mezzed with 40 spells so it'll have to be kited with 40 Selo's, you're too low level for Song of Travel, Selo's Accelerating Chorus, bard resists songs will give lower values, no circle resists, no KEI or even C2, shamans need to individually buff as you'll be too low for IOS, etc - it'll be fun to see how folks devise solutions to problematic bosses.
We also don't know if MOTM will be on this server for /all/ content or not. I imagine so, which will basically result in a lot of mobs with AOEs one shotting.
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