EQ TLP - Vaniki (Level-Locked Progression)

Have to level a warrior to 30-50 to unlock monk, wizard for mage, enchanter for necro, cleric for shaman and druid.

Toss in some hybrid reqs and we got ourselves something!

I like that.

Zaide said:

I think the only server around that has exp rates based on semi classic style with real data backing it up is the EQMac emu right?

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Not quite. I did do a lot of research on it and I understand it well (and I coded much of it), but the big deviation with TAKP's exp logic is that the EQMac server had some non-classic modifications done to it by Sony staff, so it wasn't the same as the PC servers and why we're not the most classic (compared to PC servers anyway). Sony's Al'Kabor server had a 20% global exp bonus granted to them, then Hobart tried to code in the +20% per additional group member bonus that was put in PC side in June 2003 (roughly half way between PoP and GoD) but botched it and ended up granting a very large bonus to groups with 4+ members. (literally about double the exp) Prior to that the group bonus was much smaller, about 4% per additional member-- and that's the correct bonus from day 1 classic until mid-PoP as far as I'm aware.

During Luclin Sony also made some exp changes: hell levels were smoothed out and a large experience bonus was applied to mobs near the player's level for players above level 50. Prior to that, killing low dark blues was the best exp grind but after that killing mobs near your level was. TAKP has these.

Velious era exp was well understood because of the showeq guys at Hackerquest. Much of it is also in the client which can be decompiled. I presume that Project 1999 has it accurate because it's been available for 20 years. Before Luclin however Sony started hiding more data from the client so the Luclin+ era exp changes were much harder to figure out. We're still not 100% precise on exp required for levels 61-65 and they're a best-guess but should be reasonably close. Even just figuring out how much exp an AA really is(was) took some time. Incidentally it was 15 million, or 18.75 million if you factor out the 20% reduction Sony applied to AA exp.

TLPs of course are way, way off from real classic.

Rajaah said:

Huh, I don't know why I thought there were around 400. I must be thinking of OoW, since I played through OoW and GoD in the same timeframe, hit max level and started AAing in WoS. So the two blend together for me to an extent. PoP and Luclin both also have WAY more AAs than 160. The devs were in coast-mode after PoP I guess.

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GoD added leadership aas. These took way more effort to grind than normal aas.

Cinge said:

"Tons". Different yes, tons that want pvp? I am pretty confident in saying no.

And you would be surprised how many just want another basic TLP. They love to do classic to pop with 3 month unlocks and no changes.

The question is whether DPG will risk a TLP server window to what will inevitably be 3-6 months before it dies(if that much). I mean sure they did miragul, so its not completely off the list, but pretty far down, i'd say. Or just contiune to crank out almost guarantees of a year before player base jumps.

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There are only a tiny number of people calling for pvp and they just seem to do so loudly. Before combine, you had tons of guilds on numerous servers (including a tuco led one from here) doing "progression" style content. Zaides test guild had gms noticing. When it bumped into omegautists who farm old raid mobs for nothing but nostalgia, it got even more attention. When combine had tons of people trying to smell the roses, they noticed.

When discord was dominated by hackers they also noticed.

If you want pvp, the best way to get it would be to put together some kind of self limited zek server go at it with groups of people. If you can't get people to self restrict and play around... devs think nobody cares, since progression could and did.

Group version of leadership AAs didn't take that long really, but the raid versions were pretty gross.

Sterling said:

Group version of leadership AAs didn't take that long really, but the raid versions were pretty gross.

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Raid aas were weird, they seemed to follow normal xp rules (like it is on tlps now) when aa grinding at the time was the easiest possible blues. So like people would obliterate growth and get half a raid leader aa and cry but doing fire got you a handful. They also got WAY easier in omens, I think I got 2 dozen accidentally by just being an epic fight organizer.

Mrniceguy said:

No offense but you really need to give an Everquest TLP a rest... DPS is so unbalanced it's not even funny. Monks with bare fists and Rogues with Serrated Bone Dirk would get smoked by Mages and Wizards.

That's basically the PvE equivalent of your argument.

Also, anyone that mentions class balance in EQ PvP and doesn't talk about Bards has zero clue what they're talking about.

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Why does dps need to be balanced? There is no pvp, so it doesn't matter that one person does more damage than another.

Korzax Stonehammer said:

Why does dps need to be balanced? There is no pvp, so it doesn't matter that one person does more damage than another.

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I guess no reason other than having server of all mages and non mages being left out of groups and raids. Or whatever the current meta is. Why have any classes and not just give all skills to all if you dont try to find a balance to the spread

Dps balance isn't THAT bad once you hit 60. It's a problem largely only during the initial level pushes and classic.

It would be far more beneficial if they fixed the balance for the 70s. That's when the falloff really hurts. Guilds start begging for healers and showing 1-2 per cloth class while your 17 monks threaten irl violence against any beastlord who touches a fist weapon. Fix THAT era for dps balance.

Wouldn't mind TSS start to see new levelling zones (and have bazaar) but it'd be interesting to cap people at level 50/60 for a while, so we don't push right past all the classic raids. You'd have to either nerf TSS levelling gear or boost early raid gear though, as it is the tutorial gives you better gear at level 10 than anything prior to Luclin or so.

Breakdown said:

I guess no reason other than having server of all mages and non mages being left out of groups and raids. Or whatever the current meta is. Why have any classes and not just give all skills to all if you dont try to find a balance to the spread

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Except that doesn't happen so what are you even talking about?

Comparing dps balance to pvp balance like they're in any way the same thing is completely retarded

Ambiturner said:

Comparing dps balance to pvp balance like they're in any way the same thing is completely retarded

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You're right in PvE whichever guild has better DPS gets the open world raid boss, on PvP the guild with better PvP gets the open world raid boss. Clearly these things aren't in any way the same thing.

What's important is that some random played on Tallon Zek 15 years ago and got ganked when he was level 15 then quit because "The Druid just rooted/dotted me and my monk couldn't move, EQ PvP isn't balanced"

Let me know when they can enforce a stop on mq2 active hacks. Until then pvp is just going to be stupid. Rangers you can't avoid or just sks dropping on you then fucking off for an hour. I played on tallon zek years ago but my experiences then versus discord versus a potential pvp tlp are 3 different things.

Let me know when they can stop people from warping to open raid bosses. Until then open world is just gonna be stupid.

Mrniceguy said:

You're right in PvE whichever guild has better DPS gets the open world raid boss, on PvP the guild with better PvP gets the open world raid boss. Clearly these things aren't in any way the same thing.

What's important is that some random played on Tallon Zek 15 years ago and got ganked when he was level 15 then quit because "The Druid just rooted/dotted me and my monk couldn't move, EQ PvP isn't balanced"

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Wrong, like always. It's far more about mobilization and numbers than the "better dps". And losing a dps race on an open world boss isn't close to the same thing as being ganked over and over and standing no chance to defend yourself because you're a shit class.

Have you ever even fucking played the game? How do you never know how anything works? Have you ever even been right by accident?

Mrniceguy said:

Let me know when they can stop people from warping to open raid bosses. Until then open world is just gonna be stupid.

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Yes, the whole server cares about open world. No, not really. About 99% of the server is quite happy doing their raids at set times and set days every week, and not caring about open world.
Do you even play anymore? Or are you just trolling at this point?