Ambiturner
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You need to be a lot more specific on what time frame you're talking about here
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You need to be a lot more specific on what time frame you're talking about here
Elderan
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Vaniki was doomed to failure really. People "claim" they want hardcore but in reality they dont. The reason is always we want hard but not that kind of "hard". Remember Manglers original ruleset?
The reason FV, Random, Bonus loot is so popular is because its the easiest most casual server to date.
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Ambiturner
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Doubt it's the classic TLP being too alluring as much as the retarded level 40 cap makes you run out of worthwhile things to do in record time.
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Zaide
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Vaniki would have been a lot more successful if it launched in classic or even Kunark.
We know there is an appetite for “oldschool” challenge because P99 hits like 2k players, or more during “launch”. Darkpaw just needs to offer a real classic option without a bunch of bullshit.
We know there is an appetite for “oldschool” challenge because P99 hits like 2k players, or more during “launch”. Darkpaw just needs to offer a real classic option without a bunch of bullshit.
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Zog
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I hate to say i told you so but i told you so.
It's not even the idea of level locking, like zaide said they just really dropped the ball on vaniki the way they did it, they are still trying to nudge players into the oow+ expansions and the level locks don't make any sense for the content.
Now yelinak is a lackluster server without the good players to make it interesting.
The fly by night streamers got their launch views and are gone.
Nobody is really happy with either servers rulesets and it's disappointing.
It's not even the idea of level locking, like zaide said they just really dropped the ball on vaniki the way they did it, they are still trying to nudge players into the oow+ expansions and the level locks don't make any sense for the content.
Now yelinak is a lackluster server without the good players to make it interesting.
The fly by night streamers got their launch views and are gone.
Nobody is really happy with either servers rulesets and it's disappointing.
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Arbitrary
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Being level 40 for a month is kinda shitty, double loot was broken at the start (and you can still find NPCs that haven't been killed yet and still have single loot), zone level restrictions were broken, zone level restrictions for at least the Plane of Growth instance are still broken, the challenges are almost nonsensical.
It's baffling that the only challenge for level forty Classic is killing Velious era MotM Cazic Thule in revamped Fear with no Kunark challenge at all, only Yelinak for Velious and no Luclin anything.
It's baffling that the only challenge for level forty Classic is killing Velious era MotM Cazic Thule in revamped Fear with no Kunark challenge at all, only Yelinak for Velious and no Luclin anything.
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DickTrickle
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Zog
Blackwing Lair Raider
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Yeah, sure. With 1 DZ being available so far since launch. Most quit by the end of the first month, you've got 2 weeks and we'll see how "happy" everyone is.
The most successful TLP in fucking history(mischief) and they dont use anything from it.
AladainAF
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DickTrickle
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A mercs at start server does seem like an obvious option they could do that would be successful. One problem is that they're so strong pre-70, which I'm sure DPG doesn't like the idea of.
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Madikus
Knows nothing.
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They need a truly classic fork similar to wow classic. Classic zones, no motm, etc.
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DickTrickle
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That could be successful but there's zero chance they'd put the resources needed into it. At this point, they'd have to partner with P99 to get it right.
With WoW I think it was way easier because they still had most of the code and data from back then, afaik.
With WoW I think it was way easier because they still had most of the code and data from back then, afaik.
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Cinge
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Wasnt that basically what LJ and RF and previous were? When someone with enough mages could kill it all by themself. Or god forbid the previous HT wars. And no DZs.
I don't think things like original FP or nro/oasis/commons will change all that much.
DickTrickle
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It was still using xp and combat tables and whatever else from live (and still mostly does). It's still a lot different. So those classes were more powerful than they would have been.
Zaide
TLP Idealist
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Prathun said they have the old database circa PoP launch but they decided not to use it because "Players wouldn't actually like it"
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Rajaah
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Enchanters/charm rule the day right up through GoD. Post-GoD they decline a lot in power. So you see a ton of chanters early, then the number drops off sharply between the decline and also all the new chanters realizing how high-maintenance and "difficult" the class actually is. Yeah they can roll things but it requires a substantial amount of effort.
Monks are the other big DPS meta, especially once they have the 1.0. Their DPS dominance continues well past GoD. Though they can't solo like chanters can early-on.
Around OoW, melee/tank classes that are raid geared start to be able to solo really quickly and effectively, to the point that they outclass casters. IIRC some time during the level 70 era I realized that my Zerker (not even a tank class) could tank and solo much better than the charm pets of the era could.
As for breakout roles...aside from chanter being way more integral to group composition (classic through GoD) than they used to be, I can't think of much.
It kinda sucks for me that Vaniki isn't doing well, because I made a pretty huge effort with it since launch to deck out for an actual run (as opposed to my usual "do first couple launches and then get busy with RL")
Like I can actually do this one for a few months but it's not looking promising for a long-haul server. I'm thinking there's a high likelihood that the pop will go up a lot more next month though. The 50 raise followed shortly after by 55 and 60, with AAs available at 55, are gonna give people a lot more to keep them engaged.
Having the cap sit at 40 for a month with one target to kill was kind of idiotic. Should have been a 45 raise halfway through it, along with a "Defeat Klandicar" cheevo or something.
And as has been pointed out a zillion times already, more achievements would have made a big difference in interest. Something for Kunark (at 50), something for Luclin (at 50), etc. More illusions or titles. Just like, anything.
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DickTrickle
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I mean, I don't think that's probably wrong on the whole, but rolling out a "true" classic server every two years or something could be pretty successful. All TLPs being like that would probably be a net negative, though.
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Rajaah
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Yeah, pre-70 mercs would be way too OP and completely trivialize the server. Nobody would group.
I love the little cute but subtly horrifying bunnies
They will pounce on the hometown rodents that are running around in all the starter cities.
You're way too good-hearted for this place. Never change