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Koushirou

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Finally saw a mount drop from Ex1 after almost 20 kills. No dice though. Kills are getting nice and quick now at least. I’ve never progged Ex when they’ve come out before, so this has actually been a lot of fun learning from practice, to a kill, and now being able to just farm it. I can even do snake/birds consistently now and both fights consistently with 0 fuck ups. Feels good.
 
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Pasteton

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If you think pugging ex is bad now you shoulda seen during heavensward. Pugging thordan extreme took I dunno how many hours for a clear. All the pfs were all on different waves etc what a nightmare. Game really is soft core from what it was
 
Rali

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Killed EX2 for the first time last night, mount dropped, I won it :D

The mount has a ridiculously small head, even more so when it's a lala mounted on it!

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Pyros

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Yeah they look like ass. The mega tiger mount you'll get at the end might look pretty cool though.
 
Chysamere

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There's something fucky with Warrior enmity. On multiple occasions I've gone from tanking a hunt target, to green threat in a single global, during my 7500 dps burst phase, and it's always a warrior taking it.

One time the warrior taking it was in my group and I went from full threat to less than 50% of his threat in that single global.

I think Shake it Off is the culprit but I'm not sure.
 
Valorath

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My brother mentioned something about warrior threat when he was tanking Pandemonium last night. I figured he was just drunk or playing badly. But he said basically the same thing.
 
Pyros

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Chysamere said:
There's something fucky with Warrior enmity. On multiple occasions I've gone from tanking a hunt target, to green threat in a single global, during my 7500 dps burst phase, and it's always a warrior taking it.

One time the warrior taking it was in my group and I went from full threat to less than 50% of his threat in that single global.

I think Shake it Off is the culprit but I'm not sure.
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Well heals generate threat, and tank stance has a massive multiplier. Shake it Off is a 400 party potency heal, and Equilibrium a 1200 self potency heal(with a HoT after) so that'll generate large amounts. Paladin can also do somewhat similar stuff by using Divine Veil and popping it during Requiescat window, since Divine Veil also heals for 400 now when it's applied to other people, but can't do as much self healing otherwise. And I guess if the WAR uses Bloodwhetting they also get additional healing out of that, you get like 400potency self heals per GCD x4, and you can force some of them to crit(infuriate attacks and primal rend will always crit the healing).

So maybe that'd explain it, threat is kind of a non issue anyway but warriors can likely generate more threat than any other tank currently due to all their healing.
 
Chysamere

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Pyros said:
Well heals generate threat, and tank stance has a massive multiplier. Shake it Off is a 400 party potency heal, and Equilibrium a 1200 self potency heal(with a HoT after) so that'll generate large amounts. Paladin can also do somewhat similar stuff by using Divine Veil and popping it during Requiescat window, since Divine Veil also heals for 400 now when it's applied to other people, but can't do as much self healing otherwise. And I guess if the WAR uses Bloodwhetting they also get additional healing out of that, you get like 400potency self heals per GCD x4, and you can force some of them to crit(infuriate attacks and primal rend will always crit the healing).

So maybe that'd explain it, threat is kind of a non issue anyway but warriors can likely generate more threat than any other tank currently due to all their healing.
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I did some testing some time back and it seemed the heals from tanks weren't generating threat, or much threat at least. Perhaps its only hots that don't generate threat, since I was testing with Aurora.

Pretty sure the delayed heal from Heart has the same lack of threat component.

It will need to be fixed though or any warrior popping shake it off with tank stance on will rip threat even if they are supposed to be OTing.
 
Malkav

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Chysamere said:
I did some testing some time back and it seemed the heals from tanks weren't generating threat, or much threat at least. Perhaps its only hots that don't generate threat, since I was testing with Aurora.

Pretty sure the delayed heal from Heart has the same lack of threat component.

It will need to be fixed though or any warrior popping shake it off with tank stance on will rip threat even if they are supposed to be OTing.
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I dunno, Equilibrium has always been a nice snap aggro in dungeon pulls for me.
 
Pyros

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Yeah just checked and it does still generate threat fine. In fact checked Aurora too and it does so not sure how you tested. What I did for a quick tests was autoattack without tank stance a mob, have chocobo pull aggro from me, turn on stance and cast aurora on myself and that monster switched back to me instantly on the first tick(which wasn't instant since it's a hot) and then stayed on me until it died even though I didn't touch it after that.

Note that only stuff you're in an encounter with(that's on your threat table) will be affected by healing aggro. If for example your healer is a cunt who runs ahead of you and pull a bunch of mobs, if you heal yourself, it won't do shit. If you heal them it will. If you tag them all with an aoe then heal yourself, it will too(although the aoe would likely get everything on you anyway).
 
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I still haven't killed trial 2 extreme. After the chakram phase, if I don't drag her back and line up with the two stack markers, we end up wiping because everyone ends up with 2-3 vuln up stacks. Everyone knows the mechanics but they seem to forget the basics from the first phase when she's standing at some random position and doing them again. :/
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I was referring to raid #2. I'm worried that may be a PUG killer on Savage.

Extreme #2 you can't play by a set playbook. She'll always do (Chakrams -> Orb Ice Stacks) or (Orb Ice Stacks -> Chakrams). The #1 PUG killer is people forgetting that ice stacks exist after the orbs go out, and that you can actually MOVE after the ice stacks if you're overlapping another. The one I always forget (which isn't exactly fatal) is the lateral or sides stack right after chakrams. If you can do everything else, you'll be okay by that point and taking the vuln there is fine.

Lightwaves II I normally have the tanks stack near the bottom part of the big opening that the lightwave isn't going through, so when we spread, healers go just outside the tank stack so we can precast heals and damage reduction (medica, temperance, liturgy, tetragrammaton -> aquaveil (on dudes with vuln stacks who aren't topped off, asylum for whm), and I try and not use more than we need, so that everyone is alive and non-paniced for the crystalize that follows.
 
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Chysamere said:
There's something fucky with Warrior enmity. On multiple occasions I've gone from tanking a hunt target, to green threat in a single global, during my 7500 dps burst phase, and it's always a warrior taking it.

One time the warrior taking it was in my group and I went from full threat to less than 50% of his threat in that single global.

I think Shake it Off is the culprit but I'm not sure.
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I took threat off the main tank on a Pandemonium boss early in the fight, don't know if it was a Warrior but if I let someone else pull I never get threat unless something goes wrong.

I do Requiscast and that combo including self healing fairly early.
 
Chysamere

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Pyros said:
Yeah just checked and it does still generate threat fine. In fact checked Aurora too and it does so not sure how you tested. What I did for a quick tests was autoattack without tank stance a mob, have chocobo pull aggro from me, turn on stance and cast aurora on myself and that monster switched back to me instantly on the first tick(which wasn't instant since it's a hot) and then stayed on me until it died even though I didn't touch it after that.

Note that only stuff you're in an encounter with(that's on your threat table) will be affected by healing aggro. If for example your healer is a cunt who runs ahead of you and pull a bunch of mobs, if you heal yourself, it won't do shit. If you heal them it will. If you tag them all with an aoe then heal yourself, it will too(although the aoe would likely get everything on you anyway).
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It generated threat, but at a much lower rate than expected. I ended up internally deciding that it wasn't affected by the increased enmity of tank stance, and a bit of googling seemed to back me up that it was .6 enmity/point of healing or thereabouts.

I have no idea if it works on over healing but I'm guessing yes.
 
Chysamere

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Bit more research turned up which leads me to believe that indeed something is fucky with warriors right now. Perhaps the enmity calculations are including their tank stance for certain abilities or for all healing in general now and since warriors do so much, it stands out the most with them.
 
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Chysamere said:
Bit more research turned up which leads me to believe that indeed something is fucky with warriors right now. Perhaps the enmity calculations are including their tank stance for certain abilities or for all healing in general now and since warriors do so much, it stands out the most with them.
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The part that stands out is 'no stance on' - if the warrior is using provoke and is pumping out massive healing numbers, and since their abilities naturally generate enmity, I think you might be spot on that healing is contributing to enmity generation.

Just reeks of warrior having a lot in terms of healing. If I were to spam Medica II back in 2.0 ARR, the same shit would happen. I'd pull aggro and die. Sounds like a combination of healing natural enmity generation on abilities and copious amounts of healing. Wonder if they were using Tomahawk to try and keep up threat at range.
 
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Pyros

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I've done a bunch of group content with WAR and if I don't have my stance on I don't generate shit for threat that I could tell. It's only ever been a "problem" if I turn the tank stance on, then I'll creep up and pass other tanks, but I also generally outDPS them so it's hard to tell if there's something off.

So don't know how that works out but I haven't seen it. I do use Shake on aoes and stuff. It'd be very noticeable on EX1 with the tank swaps if there was a big problem I think, but even then with my stance on I wouldn't randomly take aggro back.

So don't know if maybe the guy didn't have the buff shown to a large enough amount that it showed tank stance(it doesn't have priority, and nowadays every fucking shitter throws raid wide icons, you have like DNC aoe hot and RPR aoe hot and obviously their normal raidwide and tanks themselves have like 3 icons when they pop their 25s and shit like that it's a fucking mess). Or maybe he didn't see the provokes, cause some of these shit tanks are provoking on cooldown for whatever fucked up reason. Or maybe there's a weird bug that only works every now and then?
 
Threelions

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Finally completed T1 and then farmed it for an hour. Onto T2. Fuck your ilvl Pf groups.
Edit: ran through the 4 circles in one shot each, I think it greatly helped that I was healing and took the time to watch a video or two. That phoenix one is chaotic and tanks with vuln stacks is no bueno.

just need T2 now, light wave joy
 
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