Foundation

Kiroy said:

isn't this a prequel anyways? or postquel? can't remember

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i think it takes the bits and pieces it wants and probably throws in a little prequel. Asimov wrote like another 10 books "around" Foundation, some were prequels that eventually tied into his I, Robot series and then a whole bunch of sequels that went on with what happened after the 3 foundation books.

The core books are incredibly dry and not well suited to adaption, since they time skip 100+ years constantly so its not surprising they would rather probably stick to a single time period for one season, then maybe jump time periods for another season.

It looks like the show is gonna stick to mostly Y0 of Foundation, but draw out the glory of the Empire of Man and also show the decay at the edges, and show Hari Seldon's establishment of Foundation. The "narrator" from book 1 seems to be recast as a young black woman, which I don't think is a big change since the character was more or less a blank slate used as reader POV.

It definitely feels like its gonna draw heavy inspiration from Dune and Blade Runner in the visuals and world building.

out in 3 days, critics seem very very positive so far





2 episodes are dropping friday and then 1 a week until all 10 episodes are aired

Stuff like:

"The estate says Goyer has zeroed in on the most important elements of the story. Additionally, since the original text was written for a post-World War II audience, with the mores of the time, some events would have to be changed.

For example, most of the characters in the original book were men. So, Goyer asked the estate how they would feel if a few characters were gender-flipped.
The estate responded positively, saying that "we think Asimov himself would have completely embraced that."

Is just so arrogant and tiresome. If Asimov had wanted those character to be women, he would have written them as women. The estate is just seeing $$, and Apple is saying we won't do this unless we can make changes. I doubt the gender swaps will have any meaning to the story overall, but the fact that these people felt they needed to make such changes is pathetic.

Make the Mule a woman, an ugly one.

first 2 episodes have dropped on Apple TV+, gonna watch this weekend. There will be 10 total (8 more), one per week

Easy to get a free Apple TV month.

Been a while since I read the books but this is almost a total re-write while preserving the core narrative.

Not bad. It looks great and has some decent actors. Worth a month free sub to Apple TV for sure.

Yeah, watched the first two episodes and i'd say max 15% of the book is in the 2 episodes, its 85% new stuff that delves far, far deeper into the early beginnings of Foundation. If you are watching episode 1 and thinking "what about computers, AI?" thats semi answered in episode 2, although dodged a little bit too.

So far its interesting but not amazing, like something feels way off. I dunno what it is but I definitely don't get the grandeur across of a 10,000 year old human civilization at the apex of its power, represented by Trantor the eternal shining city. They did a decent job but it didn't come across as a mind blowing human achievement, just a regular future-city. The space elevator shit was super cool, as was the triumvirate Emperors.

There is a GREAT bit part by a beloved Star Trek actor in episode 1, no spoilers but when you see it you'll be like "fuck yeah!". Worth watching episode 1 alone for that imo.

I'll stick to the end, unlike say Y the Last man so far I don't find it getting cloyingly stupid or annoying, but I wish it was a little better. The story is a bit janky, sometimes it tries to be sci fi and then sometimes it tries to be Tyler Perry black romantic drama and its just weird the shifts in tone.

I don't care too much about the race and gender swaps of "the main character" but damn its annoying that she is a founding member of the itty bitty titty committee. If you are gonna gender swap, at least give me something nice to look at

As a book reeader, this isn’t foundation. It’s based on foundation. there are bits and pieces of the book, and some important bits, but way, way too much deviation and completely new material. I am disappointed.

Non book readers may enjoy this much more

No worries, man. I'm certain these super talented hollywood script writers can do WAY better than some rando hack sci-fi author no one has ever heard of.

/sarcasm

this should have been an ensemble cast, with Hari being the only constant.

Warrik said:

As a book reeader, this isn’t foundation.

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Warrik said:

this should have been an ensemble cast, with Hari being the only constant.

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Wut ?

It's been a while, but IIRC Seldon was dead for everything but the prologue of the first book.

I know the books came out prior to terrorism and shit but lol at the level of security on a thousand mile tall space elevator.

I haven't read the books, and watched the first two episodes. Episode 1 is pretty good, and it's worth watching for the Space Elevator alone. The end of episode 2 felt jump the sharky, but we'll see when the rest of the episodes come out. This show does make me want to read the book(s) now, but not until I see the first season at least.

LachiusTZ said:

Are there enough BIPOC in this or am i a Nazi for watching it?

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dont worry only black people are in the future, except for bad guys who are white men

also in the future women lose their tits, babies get milk from robots i think