Nirgon
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Furor's 14 Days rant & First Look at WoW
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Hateyou
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Which one?
I lost track of what the subject is about anymore.
Y'all are focusing way too much on wamens, gender blobs, and sex and shit here, and not the fact that Blizzard is about to implode because their employees are sick of working conditions.
I will repeat: this suit has little to nothing to do with sexual harassment or gender equality, it has everything to do with unfair working conditions.
If you're focusing on the union busting firm, or the bush-era torture apologist, or only one facet of the issue, you're missing the fucking point.
There's gonna be no one left working at Blizzard. Honestly, it's probably better to just shutter Blizzard and find a buyer for the IPs.
If there's one thing this industry taught me, it's that other companies will reach out and offer you a job the moment yours is unavailable. If you have even just a year experience, everyone is in a hiring frenzy for people who are 'in' the industry and would work for slightly more than they're getting right now. Happens all the time. You just don't see it as a player as you're like, 'oh that guys moving on, that sucks but i hope they do well'.
The more you stay there, the more presumed control you think they have over you.
If you tell Actiblizz you want to leave Blizzard due to the drama, and you put on LinkedIn that you're looking for work and you are politely parting ways with your former employer in hopes of seeking out new opportunities, you'll likely bypass the hiring process if you're worth your salt; most games industry jobs don't have extensive interviewing processes with a few exceptions. They aren't all FAANG companies with inane requirements to join up with them. Some are, though; do your glassdoor research.
Almost every company worth working for is already near your former employer - with the exception of stuff like Toys for Bob and Vicarious Visions, and even then, I mean... you could just work for Velan Studios which is in Albany, or many of the Boston companies / Virigina companies like SSG, CSE, etc that are past Pennsylvania.
And if you're working at Activision, chances are you're in a spot with other employers nearby that could desperately need your talent.
And in doing so, Blizzard will find it impossible to fill your role. No one worth their salt wants to join up with Blizzard with this drama going on. No one's going to critique you for leaving a company that has been fucking over its players under mismanaged teams that are abusing employees and get paid more than you.
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Chukzombi
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eh, id work for Activision in a heartbeat. couldnt give two shits if some nerds are mad about something. spoilers, nerds are always mad about something. pay me and you can fuck all the cosplay whores that you want. why should i care what another individual does with their time?
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Getting this from my personal experience.
Last interview was 'tell me about yourself, and your history,' then a technical interview asking me 'what I did previously, 3 questions about compiler toolchains', and then a final interview to see if I was an asshole or not.
I don't know where your 'in-depth' interview process experience is from, but i've heard people get stalked by recruiters and bypass interview processes all the time in the games industry. I guess I use 'bypass' as in, they aren't asking you to do whiteboard problems as much. They aren't asking 10 year old outdated knowledge on interviews anymore. They aren't going to ask you 99% of the stuff on a college exam that got you your master's degree.
They are going to gather basic info and get to know you first. Even the big names. But it won't be as extensive if you have experience and can prove you have talent in a short period of time.
In my experience - they are asking very simple, basic knowledge even for mid/sr positions and they'll grill you on those. I know this because I am mid/sr level (7 years)
Anyone at FAANG companies are going to ask you to do their work for them in the interview process so they can measure if you can be subjugated to do what they want. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself. Blizzard is quickly on the way to being that level of scumbag, if they're not there already.
I mean they basically lost all their talent that worked in cybersecurity (antihack) there due to the payscale issue alone.
Yeah they can't pay you what you're worth. Even if they're desperate. Anyone with a semblance of experience would pass them up. You'd be paid 3 times as much at Riot.
here's an example, all in Los Angeles btw
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So I have worked interviewed/worked for Riot. Their interview process, even at the production level was pretty extensive. By extensive I mean multiple sessions, lots of Q&A, over a number of days.
- Phone screen
- In person 3-4 hour with multiple people from multiple teams
- Tour of studio
- Some teams will do a game of league with you mid-interview
- Second phone interview with department/stakeholder head
Some studios do white board (Both Epic and EA/Respawn do this). Some use coding tests for Engineering . Aside from that, whiteboarding isn't too common. Absolutely no one gets an easy pass just because they worked in the industry. If anything, we drill a bit harder as the expectations are higher.
I would be shocked if a single studio worth their salt asked very simple, basic knowledge for any position. After 10 years in the industry, 5 AAA studios and having sat on many interview panels, this is absolutely not the experience I've seen at all. That goes for both East Coast, West Coast, and UK.
This is just not a factual statement at all. I've worked at three FAANG companies, and this is NOT how the the interview works, or why it works this way. This comes across as someone who didn't get a gig and is resentful over how the interview was conducted. As an example, an engineering position with any of the FAANG companies will involve Stock grants, starting bonus, likely relocation, and a somewhere in the area of a six figure salary (depending on how junior/mid/senior). This is also how most major Video Game studios function. No one gets a free pass. Hiring the wrong candidate is extremely costly financially and culturally, not to mention the impact to the employee in question. No company I have ever worked with/for isn't doing their due diligence up front, regardless of what studio you were with.
Again, this is not the truth. I have friends that work at Blizzard and Riot. I have worked at Riot. You are not getting 3 times or even 2 times more at Riot. That is just not real life. Blizzard pays on the low side, and Riot trends low to mid, but if you bring enough to the table you can negotiate more. Your statements seem very anecdote with little real world experience backing it up.
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Mostly spot on with a few exceptions. I will admit you're right on a lot of this, including the Riot interview length, which I only know about that because I have been asked to apply by a friend several times, but cannot as I don't want to relocate.
Blizzard is apparently the same way. It's a huge vetting process. I understand why it's done, and I listed the extremes.
I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with the 4 interviews I had to do. With one exception.
I applied to SOE in 2013 with 0 experience. That was filled with whiteboard problems, coding on literal fucking pieces of paper in person, and other nonsensical whiteboard garbage. Looking back on it with my experience, it felt awful. The entire experience was full of assumptions made by the team I interviewed with, like - "Isn't the emulator just stolen code?"
The only person that had any semblance of kindness there was their HR person (name escapes me), Nandor Szots (if it wasn't for his words there, I would be in a cemetary somewhere), and Holly Longdale, ironically. Dave Georgeson didn't even show up for my interview.
Suppose I shouldn't have applied during the EQNext going into the trash can era, but hey, lessons learned.
Ever since then, I worked at indies / small companies. They are much more different than FAANG companies, and are much more lenient.
The current job I have is a contractor position that I got by literally PMing a CEO who knows of my work on a previous title.
So the notion that you can't just bypass the interview process is, quite literally, not my experience and you cannot claim what you haven't seen as untrue.
Side note...
Compared to my current position? I would make 2 times as much as I did at the peak of my career ($85,000/yr) working for Riot, but I would have to relocate to Los Angeles, so I would make about the same amount but in a location I am uncomfortable with staying in.
Blizzard would pay me less than I made at my peak and force me to relocate, plus i'd probably be diddled by whoever's left there, metaphorically and physically.
Blizzard would pay me less than I made at my peak and force me to relocate, plus i'd probably be diddled by whoever's left there, metaphorically and physically.
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Very good point you are making here. Bear in mind, relocating to LA will result in your salary significantly increasing, as will your rent.
Example: My rent for a 3000 sqft brand new home in Raleigh was 2550. In LA, I rented a 2000 sqft home for 6000$. (i was able to find something new for 5k a year later, roughly same size). Water and Electric tend to run higher. Gas was about 2.89 in NC, and ran near 5$ in LA.
Non Californians find this next statement surprising: But a family can make 200k a year in LA and still struggle hard (depending on number of kids). Housing is HARD in LA. EA paid surprising well. Amazon pays AMAZING for the first two years (year 3 is a dumpster fire). Riot was middle of the road. Epic has the best benefits package in the country and paid very well.
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My 1244 sq ft 3bd 2ba manufactured home in PA costed $50,000, did some repairs and I will have it paid off by April.
I will only be paying $734 a month on the lot rent (which is comparative to taxes) and then I'll be able to sell it and get a house.
I also have a bankruptcy on my record, which removes a ton of my options.
In big Cali cities, I'd basically be like a FFXIV player looking for a plot of land on the Aether datacenter - I'd find great opportunities that cost too much and then they'd disappear.
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Wow that was really in-depth. You are correct that it was meant as Furor by definition and whoever said the Cleric spell knows what they're talking about.
I do remember towards the end of EQ people making jokes about what Furor sounded like. He didn't exactly shoot it down.. But hey that was like early 2000's; Nobody was worried about their internet persona being brought up years later.
I can't tell who's who these days but seriously guys ? Furor and Krozman were man-children that went full simp anytime a girl would log on ventrilo.
What I want to know is how much in-game currency they spent on their e-girlfriends, lol.
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Dalien
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I don't like people calling me by my first name online since most foreigners can't pronounce my name right. Even my coworkers say my name incorrectly and we're the same nationality.
(The name is pronounced differently in 3 separate regions in the Country, even though it's written exactly the same).
When I speak in work-related things with foreigners (especially Chinese), I just tell them my name is "Alex" to avoid going into a 15 minute tirade on how they still can't spell my name right.
(The name is pronounced differently in 3 separate regions in the Country, even though it's written exactly the same).
When I speak in work-related things with foreigners (especially Chinese), I just tell them my name is "Alex" to avoid going into a 15 minute tirade on how they still can't spell my name right.
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Gutterflesh
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A billion dollar company pays its Product Managers 74K?
Either someone is lying or that explains why WoW has turned into a billion dollar pile of shit.
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