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Butthurt

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TJT said:
Butthurt Butthurt if Kyle is found not guilty on all charges can the families of the pedo and skaterboi and bicep man still file civil suits like wrongful death against him? Or something similar?
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Yep, they can. Think OJ Simpson. He beat the criminal charges, but was sued by the families and lost the civil trial.

I’d argue the wrinkle might be different here, since he’s going with a self defense argument, which is also a defense to the civil side of things as well. If he walks on self defense, it would be very hard, if not legally impossible to defeat the self defense argument in the civil world.
 
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Kaines

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Judge just dismissed the weapons charge prior to closing arguments. That's an incredibly good sign that the jury won't even be able to deliberate on that one.
 
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Intrinsic

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Had to step out to talk to the lawn guy, so they had the illegal weapon and curfew dismissed but not the provocation?
 
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Bandwagon

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It's america, you can sue over anything pretty much.
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How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
 
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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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She did wear a dress to a party.
 
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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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This is like saying I intend to get in a wreck because I'm wearing a seat belt. That's real retarded sir.
 
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Blazin

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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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The fuq you on about? That is not even what the provocation charge would be about.
 
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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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maybe you should have watched some of the countless videos presented during the trial to see that was pretty much the norm out there on the streets during that time period
 
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Arbitrary

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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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The dude that got his biceps sent to Jesus had a gun. On top of that. It's Wisconsin. We've got firearms both carried openly and concealed. Also, just open carrying a rifle isn't "provocation." Pointing it at people is but there's no witness testimony Kyle was doing that and no video evidence Kyle was doing that.
 
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Kaines

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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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You got a real purty mouth, boy.....
 
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Arbitrary

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If the jury finds that Kyle waived his right to self defense by acting in a provocative manner (as defined by the law) I still don't think that opens up the murder charges. The elements of that crime are just not there. It does open up whatever basket of manslaughter/assault with a deadly weapon shit they're tacking on at the end.

It seemed likely the jury would stick him with a lesser charge plus the weapons charge but without the weapons charge I think his odds of walking entirely go up?
 
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Chris said:
How many years if found guilty of provocation?

As much as I agree with what he did, taking a gun to a riot is asking for people to misunderstand you as a spree killer and attempt to disarm you.
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do you think kyle was the only one that strolled in with big scary black gun???

NO!!!
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you want to disarm everyone???

wait...

ask yourself

why are there so many guns here in the first place?

cuz the popo failed the city, there was already 1 night of riots and these citizens are trying to keep the peace and protect their city when popo failed...

hell this town is so small this is probably the only gas station in town!

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holy shit i don't even see another gas station anywhere on the map, i pinned where shootings happened
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kenosha is a decently sized city. it's not some podunk little nowhere town. it's not huge, but that map is probably something like 5% of the city. probably less
 
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That's not "in the tank for Right"; that's *in the tank for the Government*. If it was regarding something that didn't align with Leftist/Big Government ideology, they would have been all over that shit. The Media doesn't care about the Party; they only care about the Ideology. They will shit on Tulsi Gabbard all day long despite her (D) because she isn't as Big G as the rest of the Establishment meanwhile they are licking High Lord Biden's Balls. When did the Media turn on Trump? "Drain the Swamp". The Media has been in the tank for more Government and the State since the 1960's. Every Democrat President has had sworn evidence of worse crimes than Watergate in brought in Congress and the media has just stood by and either played it neutral or actively defended them; meanwhile a Fake Conspiracy was voted on as impeachment by a hostile House, then another for something that the Current President actually did.

And fuck that, the Iraqis themselves thought they had WMDs. Whatever they did have went to Syria. Bush's idea wasn't bad (to create an Arab democracy) but with Iran next door and opportunistic Dems waiting to pounce, it was a set-up much like Vietnam. Utopian-esque dreams of nation-building require a level of commitment, unity and opportunity that wasn't present geopolitically or at home in that timeframe. While it wasn't nearly as costly in lives, it was just as costly in domestic political division from which we have never recovered and have in fact devolved. Meanwhile, we finally won in Iraq and like in Vietnam, the Democrats, this time Obama and Commander Splashdown, gave it away.
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I don't think they "moved the WMDs" into Syria. Source: Have seen zero evidence of this in 20 years.

If you're gonna make that argument, it gives you a casus belli for invading anybody you want. Invade Syria, don't find WMDs there either? They must have been moved to Iran. Invade Iran, don't find anything there? They must have been moved to Pakistan. At some point you have to ask yourself what's actually worth killing our troops over. In the early 2010's I ran a bunch of fundraisers for wounded veterans and I saw some pretty gruesome shit as far as injuries go. I'd argue none of that "WMD" bullshit was worth killing/maiming guys who signed up to protect us from actual threats.
 
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Kaines

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Isn't the judge the one who crafts these instructions?
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No. Typically the attorneys will draft them and swap drafts back and forth. Typically this happens pre-trial even. It only goes to the judge to decide on instructions if the attorneys can't come to an agreement.
 
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