Get a free Kyle Rittenhouse at Culver's

  • Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!



    Go here and give us your nominations!
    Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Status
Not open for further replies.
Lanx

Lanx

<Prior Amod>
66,057
150,559
LiquidDeath said:
So the defense is not going to ask for a directed verdict? A non-appealable (as far as I understood for Wisconsin) chance at not guilty?

Seems fucking stupid.
Click to expand...
i heard ppl say you can ask for this at any time? so even near the conclusion of the trial?

Cad Cad Butthurt Butthurt ???

cuz the judge most likely wont give it anyway
 
Hoss

Hoss

Make America's Team Great Again
<Gold Donor>
27,606
16,035
Zapatta said:
Click to expand...


Everybody including the judge knows why they wanted that video. It was to intimidate the jurors. I don't know why he went so light on the person.
 
  • 2Solidarity
  • 1Truth!
  • 1Like
Reactions: 3 users
GuardianX

GuardianX

Perpetually Pessimistic
<Bronze Donator>
7,185
18,207
Hoss said:
Everybody including the judge knows why they wanted that video. It was to intimidate the jurors. I don't know why he went so light on the person.
Click to expand...

And, unless the person was "New" to this, that video likely still exists...
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users
jayrebb

jayrebb

Naxxramas 1.0 Raider
14,778
14,734
they know the judge is too weak to do a directed verdict. so wont ask

too many eyes on the case. him going easy on juror bullying and intimidation is an example of how weak he is.
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users
Butthurt

Butthurt

<Nazi Janitors>
7,870
43,523
Lanx said:
i heard ppl say you can ask for this at any time? so even near the conclusion of the trial?

Cad Cad Butthurt Butthurt ???

cuz the judge most likely wont give it anyway
Click to expand...
The defense should ask for the directed verdict as soon as the state rests. Its essentially saying as a matter of law, the state failed to put on evidence of at least one of the elements of the crime, so the case cant go to the jury. You can only ask for it, once the opposing party makes a representation that its done putting on evidence.

its a little more complicated than that when there is a justification like self defense at play, because there’s a couple more elements at work, but if the state cant overcome the justification, then a DV is appropriate.
 
  • 3Like
  • 1Truth!
Reactions: 3 users
Cad

Cad

scientia potentia est
<Bronze Donator>
25,824
50,693
Lanx said:
i heard ppl say you can ask for this at any time? so even near the conclusion of the trial?

Cad Cad Butthurt Butthurt ???

cuz the judge most likely wont give it anyway
Click to expand...
You typically ask for it when the plaintiff/prosecution rests because that is all of their evidence. The defense may have additional evidence regarding self defense, but the idea of the directed verdict is that if the Plaintiff hasn't carried their burden of proof on an element of the crime/cause of action, then the judge can find as a matter of law that that crime/cause of action cannot be established.

There's no harm in asking for it even if you know 100% the judge will deny it, because what if they don't? The jury doesn't hear it so it's just a free shot at winning.
 
  • 4Like
  • 1Solidarity
Reactions: 4 users
LiquidDeath

LiquidDeath

Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
5,071
12,010
Arbitrary said:
Let me guess, these swinging dick prosecutors in no way demonstrated that charge.
Click to expand...

They didn't even attempt to demonstrate it making it clear that he was overcharged.

I can't believe we have gotten to a point that kitchen sink charging is just normal, acceptable, and the prosecution faces no consequences for it.
 
  • 4Like
  • 1Truth!
Reactions: 4 users
K

k^M

Blackwing Lair Raider
2,741
2,008
Kind of surprised, that was about the easiest thing in the world to prove isn't it? Were you out after curfew? Yay/nay

Though, they might also then have to charge all the witnesses and such with it to.
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users
LiquidDeath

LiquidDeath

Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
5,071
12,010
k^M said:
Kind of surprised, that was about the easiest thing in the world to prove isn't it? Were you out after curfew? Yay/nay

Though, they might also then have to charge all the witnesses and such with it to.
Click to expand...

Apparently there was a ruling subsequent to the incident that declared the curfew restrictions unenforceable or something to that effect.
 
  • 3Like
Reactions: 2 users
jayrebb

jayrebb

Naxxramas 1.0 Raider
14,778
14,734
overdoing it

lot of bumbling questioning and dead-end testimony. seems they weren't well prepared for these last 2 witnesses. the bumbling is bad optics especially since the state rested.
 
Big Phoenix

Big Phoenix

Pronouns: zie/zhem/zer
<Gold Donor>
46,784
99,895
We find a place white people can drop hard Rs with impunity. Court rooms, the nword pass of white people.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.