GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

etchazz

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Littlefinger also, I think is still in love with Sansa passed on from his love for Kat. So, who knows imo what he is up to... but it's not "lulz sorry ramsay raped u, want an army?...no? Oh k, lub u"

Also.. I mentioned in the other thread.. But did bran mean to special ed hodor? Or was it because he was for some reason stuck in the ward vision and had to control "now" hodor via "then" hodor and that jacked his brain up?
He didn't mean to, he had to. He always did that to Hodor, that's why the raven brought him to that particular point in the past at that particular moment. He had to do that to Hodor then, so that he could save them in the present. It's like The Terminator with Kyle also being John's dad.
 

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So the Dallas Comic Con is going to have Joffrey there, available for signatures? It's in two weeks, we may go as a family. I want to have a framed and signed pic of Joffrey in my mancave.
 

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god damn that touched even me right in my roose bolton loving feels. The wolf and Hold the door.
 

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My theory is Bran can only use his magic again south of the wall in safety like Winterfell godswood so he has Benhands drop him off at the wall. As soon as he crosses south of the wall his frostmark dispel hits the wall and it allows the Others to manipulate the wall ice and grant themselves entry to Westeros.
 

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I dunno if this conversation ever spilled over here from the book thread, but someone found the original manuscript for A Dance with Dragons in some library. Since it was a manuscript, there were editor notes in the margins. When Coldhands was first introduced the editor wrote, "Benjen ?!" to which Germ definitively said, "No."

Here, I found it:GRRMs A Dance With Dragons manuscript debunks popular theory

And the relevant picture is in spoilers.

Cushing-Coldhands-is-NOT-Benjen.jpg
 

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Well, technically, nothing about the past has been changed? I dunno how this shit works.

Edit, found a decent enough fan explanation that works for now:

"The past is already written. The ink is dry."

Time travel in ASOIAF follows Novikov's Self-Consistency Principle, which posits that there is only one timeline, and people who go in the past to change the past have already changed the past and that it was destined to happen all along.

Two major examples in pop culture of other stories that follow this rule. Harry Potter and Futurama.

In Harry Potter, the use of time turners made many people confused. "Why not use them to go back in time and kill Voldemort as a child? Why not save Harry?" Because time travel can't change the past, it can only cause it to happen. When Hermione and Harry use the time turner in Prisoner of Azkaban, they don't change the past by saving Sirius and Buckbeak, they had already saved Sirius and Buckbeak. They went into the past to conclude their destiny to save them.

In Futurama, Fry goes back in time and accidentally kills his grandfather and sleeps with his grandmother. They all expect him to cease existing until they realize that Fry is his own grandfather after all, and the only reason he exists is because he went back in time to sleep with his grandmother (I'll grant that this one is a tad more paradoxical).

Which leaves us with time travel in ASOAIF. Last night, Bran didn't change the past by causing Hodor. Time, fate, destiny....those are written in stone. Bran was always destined to go back and warg into Wylis/Walder, turning him into Hodor. By doing this, it enables Hodor to continue to fulfill his destiny by making him a simpleton who has to help Bran when Bran gets paralyzed.

As for future implications, this means that Bran can't change the past to impact the future. He can't go back and convince the CotF to not create the first Other, he can't stop Ned from being beheaded or Robb from being betrayed. He can only interact with the past to cause the timeline to continue as it already has.
That just creates a whole new can of worms in relation to free will and causation
 

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How do people still think Coldhands is Benjen? Leaf straight up told them he's been dead for some long-ass time. Most likely theory is that Coldhands was just a wight that was warged by Bloodraven. That said, my money's on fireball guy being Benjen to the rescue next episode.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised with how the show merges characters.

In that trailer you can see Brienne and Pod make it to Riverrun (Tully banner in background). Later Pod gets dragged away from behind, possibly to Stoneheart to be hanged?
 

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Cold hands has no point at this Junction, everything he did in the books has already been done, and he was destroyed getting bran to the 3 eyed raven.

They could have him show up now since he didn't appear yet, to save bran. That would cancel the current theory that he's just a random wight warged by bloodraven. Maybe bloodraven wargs into a wight to escape when hus body is destroyed by the nk, or maybe he's something else entirely? A walker/wight that escaped nk control?

The only thing we've known for sure is that he wasn't benjen, only retards kept posting that shit, the manuscript image has been linked half a dozen times already.

The price for faceless men hasn't really been explained in the books, just theories. The show basically says its too expensive as a way of explaining why kl doesn't just send faceless man to deal with dany when the show has spent so much time building them up as ultimate assassins.

And book arya is the same as tv arya, she hasn't let go at all. needle is mentioned as one example, but theres more in the books. She doesn't overcome her blindness via mastering their blind fighting style in the books, she cheats and wargs into a cat to see.
What's more arya is a pov character, we know her inner thoughts, we know she isn't committed, just like the show.
 

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Well, I love spoilers and came across some dude on reddit who spoiled the entire season already. Must have some dude sucking his dick on the production team or something. He has nailed everything so far this season, and spoiled a season of another show. I look forward to the rest of the season even more so after reading what happens. If you want, the users name is truede on reddit.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised with how the show merges characters.

In that trailer you can see Brienne and Pod make it to Riverrun (Tully banner in background). Later Pod gets dragged away from behind, possibly to Stoneheart to be hanged?
what makes you think lady stoneheart is going to be on the show? i havent heard anything the actress playing cat returning to the show, its been like 3 seasons since we saw thoros and beric doing their thing. they seemed to have ditched all that storyline. hell, how long has it been since we saw walder frey?