GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Was reading some old stories about how GRRM thought they wouldn't use up all the published book material until season 7.
at which point he would have put out Winds of Winter, which would been seasons 7 and 8 and by then we would put out the last book before season 9.

forgot about when people talked about show could be 10+ season long

Goatface said:

Was reading some old stories about how GRRM thought they wouldn't use up all the published book material until season 7.
at which point he would have put out Winds of Winter, which would been seasons 7 and 8 and by then we would put out the last book before season 9.

forgot about when people talked about show could be 10+ season long

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well, if thats true, then he was fucking delusional. because there was NO WAY he was going to wrap up this monster story in 7 books. there still isnt, maybe 8 books, but if it took 10 i wouldnt be surprised, and the way he writes. there was NO WAY he was going to have book 7 in time for season 9 or 10 to be based on it. also i think it takes quite a long time to adapt a novel to television with scripts and then you need to budget shit with the events in mind and schedule the locations and such. if he had book 6 in time for season 7 he needed to come up with it 2 years ago and book 7 should have been ready for this year or early next year. personally, i think he has book 6 done and book 7 almost done and is just sitting on it because he has some conflicts with HBO and so he is waiting them out and will release both after the series ends.

Sorry if this may have been posted already but regarding the ending of the last episode with the Night's King reanimating Vyserion, did anyone else think that he's not just a Wight dragon now but a full blown "White Walker", albeit one with wings and non-human?

In the show in all seasons where we have seen wights, they've been reanimated by White Walkers not even needing to touch them (the ones in Castle Black just reanimated from Walkers being in the surroundings at the bottom of the Wall probably), and the Night's King himself at Hardhome could reanimate hundreds if not thousands of dead Wildlings from simply raising his arms. But every time they've shown the creation of a White Walker, they insist on showing these icy blue very defined eyes that look very much different from the dim blue glow of the wights, and it is inferred that he has to touch the being to turn it into a Walker, as seen on Craster's last son a few seasons ago. Vyserion's reanimated body at the end obviously had those eyes that look like a Walker's, not just a dim blue glow like the wights we've always been shown. Considering it's been said a few episodes ago that Dragons are close to human-level intelligence in this world, it's possible that this frostwyrm he made isn't simply going to be a mount for the Night's King or a weapon of mass destruction, but also able to raise the dead on its own.

Thoughts?

Runnen said:

Sorry if this may have been posted already but regarding the ending of the last episode with the Night's King reanimating Vyserion, did anyone else think that he's not just a Wight dragon now but a full blown "White Walker", albeit one with wings and non-human?

In the show in all seasons where we have seen wights, they've been reanimated by White Walkers not even needing to touch them (the ones in Castle Black just reanimated from Walkers being in the surroundings at the bottom of the Wall probably), and the Night's King himself at Hardhome could reanimate hundreds if not thousands of dead Wildlings from simply raising his arms. But every time they've shown the creation of a White Walker, they insist on showing these icy blue very defined eyes that look very much different from the dim blue glow of the wights, and it is inferred that he has to touch the being to turn it into a Walker, as seen on Craster's last son a few seasons ago. Vyserion's reanimated body at the end obviously had those eyes that look like a Walker's, not just a dim blue glow like the wights we've always been shown. Considering it's been said a few episodes ago that Dragons are close to human-level intelligence in this world, it's possible that this frostwyrm he made isn't simply going to be a mount for the Night's King or a weapon of mass destruction, but also able to raise the dead on its own.

Thoughts?

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I was under the impression to make the walkers they needed obsidian but I could easily be wrong on that. Although they were using obsidian weapons it appeared with the weird clubbing axe and daggers. Some could have been left behind and he raises them first then applies Head On Obsidian. Apply directly to the forehead. Head On. Apply dir...
Some discussed it earlier but I didn't pay much attention to it. I assume he did it for dramatic effect. You know, impress all the dead people watching.

There was a pretty important scene while they were walking towards the mountain.

When they come across the bear one of the men says "Do bears have blue eyes?" because the bear had blue eyes as well, and it was on its own.

Khane said:

an_undead_kodiak00 had blue eyes too!

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All walkers and wights have blue eyes, but the walkers have basically human-looking eyes that are completely blue with pupils, while the undead have a blue glow without pupils or in some cases the pupil is heavily clouded over, assuming it's from the decay of a corpse as opposed to Walkers being "alive". The show made a point of showing the close up on the dragon's eye looking EXACTLY like the Walkers we have seen before (Night's King creation and Craster's last son), so I think there is a difference between that and it being just a wight.

Olebass said:

Don'tcha need obsidian to make a White Walker anyways?

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I didn't get the impression from the show that they require obsidian to create every Walker, just the original one that was created by the Children of the Forest and became the Night's King. Touching Craster's last son on the cheek was enough to seemingly transform him into a Walker.

I assume that the fact the Night's King's heart contains a shard of dragonglass is going to be important in a future battle, where someone will stab him with an obsidian dagger only for him to yank it out and shiv them in the face because he is immune to its effects due to how they created him. All other Walkers are just created by his magic though, and don't seem to require the dragonglass heart (which would be tricky to pull off consdering they seem to instantly explode whenever they touch it).

specific things kill the WW. valyrian steel. obsidian, fire and dragon fire. basically everything fire based. presumably Beric's FA would kill them as well. if obsidian doesnt kill the NK then likely bran will try and warg the dragon to turn on its master, ala frankenstein. hopefully that backfires and bran dies.

Chukzombi said:

specific things kill the WW. valyrian steel. obsidian, fire and dragon fire. basically everything fire based. presumably Beric's FA would kill them as well. if obsidian doesnt kill the NK then likely bran will try and warg the dragon to turn on its master, ala frankenstein. hopefully that backfires and bran dies.

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Well, Valyrian steel comes from Old Valyria which was the homeland of dragons and is a volcanic island containing tons of obsidian.. Dragonfire obviously comes from a dragon, and obsidian in this world is also called dragonglass because it's volcanic, so we can assume it's not just FIRE that kills a White Walker (we have now seen twice that the Night's King and his other Walker cronies can simply walk over a burning fire wall and it gets put out under their feet), but it's something related to dragons/volcanic material.. so since this is all magical anyway it might as well be only dragons and dragon-related stuffs.

Also I don't think Bran can warg into wights or undead, or he'd have used that power before probably. I think those are exclusively under the Night's King mental control, while Bran can warg into anything living. They are the two opposite sides of the warg spectrum.

Normal fire will kill the wights but it has been demonstrated to be of little concern to the WW's. Dragon fire might be another matter though.

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The writing quality is improving lately.

Of all the stupid shit happened in the last episode: WHY didn't the rest of the group, go in the same direction as Gendry???

And the writing is becoming more and more a Hollywood cliche fest .

They also ran through a narrow pass that was easy to defend into an open lake where they could easily be surrounded. Seems like everything is written backwards, we want some big battle scene with dragons burning hundreds of zombies, make the characters do things to get to that point.

Even the action scenes (although fantastic visually) have not really felt engaging. It all feels like PG13 action movie where every disaster is averted at the last moment, dialog only serves as a bridge between action scenes and the outcome is inevitable because there's never any tension to it. Compare that with Oberyn vs the Mountain, where we had several episodes worth of buildup and as a result we were invested in each character present. That stuff had you on the edge of your seat.

Ossoi said:

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about the fact that we know almost everything about the remaining characters and no new characters are going to be introduced, therefore there is no need for further character development (backstories, motivations, ambitions, relationships etc)

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That, coupled with the fact that none of the characters in the last episode that went beyond the Wall are notorious schemers or big planners anyway.. Jon Snow is the goodie two shoe hero, Tormund just wants to bash skulls no matter whose, the Brotherhood folks are on their sacred mission plus the Hound tagging along because he has nothing else better to do really, and Gendry just wanted to get out of King's Landing and live the big adventures.. we got a few minutes of banter and that's all that was needed for dialogue really, to accompany the beautiful landscapes in the cold wastes..

The only really scheming characters in the whole episode were Littlefinger and to a lesser extent Arya/Sansa and their scenes were purely dialogue, so really the complaints about poor characterization in those recent episodes are a bit unreasonnable.

Calling it now, spoilers for episode 7 characterisation :

- Cersei is going to be a manipulative scheming bitch
- Jaime will look uncomfortable but stand by her because he's up to his neck in her schemes
- Bronn will give zero fucks and just wants his money and castle.
- Brienne will be looking all bothered because she rode all the way south in 14 seconds only to find out Jon Snow was there anyway to represent the North.
- Daenerys will look rigid and constipated but is going to try to be reasonnable to please Jon but then she'll get mad at something Cersei says.
- Jon Snow will look serious and brooding and will say nothing but "The army of the dead is upon us" on loop.
- The Hound will eat every fucking chicken in the room because there's too many talkers.

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PS : yes the triple post happened before the double post, blame Bran for timey wimey stuff.

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