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Lithose

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if jon snow were the son of rhaegar targaryen and lyanna stark, would that make him the rightful heir to the iron throne?
Not unless they were married. Everything we've seen says that Bastards are low man on the totem pole, and Jon Snow is still a bastard, even if he is Rhaegar's son. However, since Targs are polygamists, it's possible they were married, in which case, being male, he'd be above Daeny.
 

Tenks

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I never quite understood why Jofferey was so specifically cruel to Sansa. Was it because Tyrion made him apologize to Sansa/The Starks in season 1?
Because her father was a suspected traitor and her brother is openly rebelling against the crown?
 

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He just killed two of his co-leaders of a 2000 men mercenary army just because he believes he is pretty enough to fuck Dany. I get a massive douche bag vibe from this character. But I dont know shit which is why I said "atleast right now" in my original post.
 

Slaythe

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Not unless they were married. Everything we've seen says that Bastards are low man on the totem pole, and Jon Snow is still a bastard, even if he is Rhaegar's son. However, since Targs are polygamists, it's possible they were married, in which case, being male, he'd be above Daeny.
The theory I've read is we'll get some weirwood flashback Bran witnesses of the marriage. However there isn't really any good ideas out there for how that knowledge reaches the realm, or if it even ever does.
 

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Not unless they were married. Everything we've seen says that Bastards are low man on the totem pole, and Jon Snow is still a bastard, even if he is Rhaegar's son. However, since Targs are polygamists, it's possible they were married, in which case, being male, he'd be above Daeny.
Bastards can get elevated to their family stature by the king... so Stannis succeeds, names Jon back to his family name, and he's a Targ who then has a rightful claim. Boom.

if rhaegar and lyanna were his parents, would he really be considered a bastard considering they were nobles?
Nobles or not, they have to be married or they're bastards. The standard story is that Jon is Ned's kid with a noble of one of the lesser southern families.
 

Lemmiwinks_sl

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Is it just me or have they completely neglected the direwolves this season? I may be spacing, but I can't remember one instance of them showing Grey Wind.
 

Gravel

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Is it just me or have they completely neglected the direwolves this season? I may be spacing, but I can't remember one instance of them showing Grey Wind.
I was about to say something regarding this and Robb's decapitation. I feel like they're missing out if they didn't film it, only because the direwolves need more screen time. And by killing another one, it makes the Red Wedding just that much more fucked up.
 

supertouch_sl

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the last wolf scene i can recall is the one in which ghost saves sam from the wight. i don't remember seeing bran and rickon's wolves but i could be wrong.
 

Cybsled

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Wanting to bed Dany factored in no doubt, but don't forget she promised future lordships in the sitdown and she has a pretty badass military force. Plus 2k Mercs vs. 8k Unsullied? Lol. Like Jorah said, the city leaders will just chill out behind their walls. They could use their wealth to buy mercs, let the mercs slowly kill Dany's forces, then they could mop up. Reputation only matters if you need new clients. Dany is offering super longterm employment with perks for sticking with her. The city is offering temp employment with a high chance of just being expendable meat for the grinder. Dany's deal is ultimately better, IMO.
 

Raes

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If I were a mercenary, I am not too sure I would be ok with seeing one of my three bosses slaughter the other two, have us jump ship and turning us into a regular army for some wandering chick from a far away land. The natural order of things would rather be the emergence of a new boss from the ranks.
They're mercenaries, by definition all they care about is getting paid.
 

Szlia

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You'll not get paid often if you are known to switch side after a contract is signed (as mentioned by one of the late bosses). For all intents and purposes, to side with Dany is to go from mercenary to soldier. A change that is unlikely to suit everyone.


On a side note, Daario really wanted to impress Dany, because he took the risk to sneak through the camp when he could have openly asked for an audience. Not to mention he did not find that unsullied armor in a thrift shop...
 

Raes

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Unless/until they actually stop getting paid I doubt any will give a shit about any of that.
 

SimSimSalabim

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As far as we know he swore himself to Dany because she's the rightful claimant to the throne. He didn't betray his oath to the Targaryens until after they were already overthrown I believe.
Does he explain why he feels she has the rightful claim to the throne? Maybe I should rewatch the episode after he first appears again. Claim to the throne is very subjective in so many ways. You could argue the Targaryans have the rightful claim because they were overthrown by the rest of the kingdom and Robert was placed on the throne, but I'm sure the Targaryans also overthrew someone at some point as well. From everything we've seen the entire 7 kingdoms seems to agree that the rightful king is someone currently living in Westeros, whether it be Robb, Stannis, or Joffrey. Nobody ever throws Dany in the mix except for Dany. (Kind of an off topic neither here nor there rant).


According to Tyrion's discussion with Tywin, earlier in the season, when you become a King's Guard you swear off everything including titles and lands. It seems a King's Guard, if kicked out, becomes a homeless and honorless individual regardless of skill.
True. I remember that conversation but forgot about it until you brought it up and it makes for a good point. Still even if he has no lands or army I doubt Robb or Stannis would have turned him away had he wanted to pledge to one of their causes.
 

Koushirou

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Summer is around for a bit when Jojen and Meera first show up and also when Rickon goes prancing into the wild. Ghost is also there refusing to go back to Craster's Keep. Still needs lots more wolf time, though.
 

The Ancient_sl

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Does he explain why he feels she has the rightful claim to the throne? Maybe I should rewatch the episode after he first appears again. Claim to the throne is very subjective in so many ways. You could argue the Targaryans have the rightful claim because they were overthrown by the rest of the kingdom and Robert was placed on the throne, but I'm sure the Targaryans also overthrew someone at some point as well. From everything we've seen the entire 7 kingdoms seems to agree that the rightful king is someone currently living in Westeros, whether it be Robb, Stannis, or Joffrey. Nobody ever throws Dany in the mix except for Dany. (Kind of an off topic neither here nor there rant).
I don't know if it's widely known Dany is alive in Westeros. As far as Barristan is concerned it's I don't think it needs to be complex, Tagaryan's is the throne he first oathed fealty to. If the Baratheon throne kicks him out on his keister it's the logical landing place.

I'm trying to figure out what Stannis was doing naming Robb Stark, Greyjoy and Joffrey when tossing leeches into the fire. DON'T COMMENT IF YOU'VE READ THE BOOKS.