GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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So I can't quite remember, but weren't Dany's dragons the only reason Drogo's khalasar stayed with Dany in the first place? From what I remember, people left to form their own khalasars largely because they thought she was a witch and had killed Drogo somehow or at least had done something that Mirri had suggested. So they felt no duty to her. When she was talking with them, the ones who had stayed said that they would see her safely to Vaes Dothrak and then they would join the Khal in death. Then Dany burns Drogo and her dragons are born and it's implied that the khalasar is now hers, and she is the first Khaleesi to ever command an army like a Khal.

I also thought that when they found Dany she had her dragon with her (in the book anyways) and the implication was that she was a silver haired, purple eyed woman with a fucking black dragon in the middle of the Dothraki sea, so who the fuck else would she be?

I don't know if that's really important as it is, because while the army she has found is not one that would know her history, they still follow their ways, and a widow has to go to Vaes Dothrak. So now we're going to figure out where the book would likely take us - how she finds a way to convince them to become her new army and march on the kingdoms instead of escorting her to the city.

And I know we sort of got off of this topic, but the biggest thing for me show vs book, is that the show isn't really what the book is about. I've long ago accepted that they are two different things, but it's not in keeping with the spirit either.

GoT is largely about political intrigues, and scheming, and subtle manipulation, and the strongest people often being the most underestimated. In the show, they've largely cut the legs out from under most of those themes. Sometimes it's necessary, but for example, Littlefinger in the show has kind of become a bit of a bitch and he's a god damn genius in the books.

That's really the only issue I have. Yea there are dragons, and lots of killing and naked women, but all of that is just there to cement the shit that the book is actually about.

HBO kind of supported the "most base" aspects of the books because that is what is drawing tv watchers - but for book readers, most of us are staying around to figure out how these motherfuckers are going to save the world.

The issue isn't so much what is canon, book or tv, or even which is the more correct canon, the issue is that one is A Song of Ice and Fire series, and the other is Game of Thrones. And that the latter has gone from being "based on" , to being "inspired by".

Similar to my rant in the Batman thread; this is a show for people who aren't already fans or who became fans by watching the tv show. That's fine, but they relied on the book fans to begin with to get this show into high gear. It's sort of shitty that now that it's taken off, book fans are sort of the red headed step child.

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What I found most interesting is that the weekend of the GOT season premiere was also the free HBO weekend (for comcast, at least).

I wouldn't be at all surprised if HBO told the writers they wanted an episode to hook people in to subscribe.

Not sure if this was brought up.
HBO free weekend has been GoT premiere weekend for the past 3 years at least. They know what they are doing. ATT also begins their free 3 month promotion right around this time so I get it every year and then cancel as soon as the season is over.
 

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So I can't quite remember, but weren't Dany's dragons the only reason Drogo's khalasar stayed with Dany in the first place? From what I remember, people left to form their own khalasars largely because they thought she was a witch and had killed Drogo somehow or at least had done something that Mirri had suggested. So they felt no duty to her. When she was talking with them, the ones who had stayed said that they would see her safely to Vaes Dothrak and then they would join the Khal in death. Then Dany burns Drogo and her dragons are born and it's implied that the khalasar is now hers, and she is the first Khaleesi to ever command an army like a Khal.

I also thought that when they found Dany she had her dragon with her (in the book anyways) and the implication was that she was a silver haired, purple eyed woman with a fucking black dragon in the middle of the Dothraki sea, so who the fuck else would she be?

I don't know if that's really important as it is, because while the army she has found is not one that would know her history, they still follow their ways, and a widow has to go to Vaes Dothrak. So now we're going to figure out where the book would likely take us - how she finds a way to convince them to become her new army and march on the kingdoms instead of escorting her to the city.

And I know we sort of got off of this topic, but the biggest thing for me show vs book, is that the show isn't really what the book is about. I've long ago accepted that they are two different things, but it's not in keeping with the spirit either.

GoT is largely about political intrigues, and scheming, and subtle manipulation, and the strongest people often being the most underestimated. In the show, they've largely cut the legs out from under most of those themes. Sometimes it's necessary, but for example, Littlefinger in the show has kind of become a bit of a bitch and he's a god damn genius in the books.

That's really the only issue I have. Yea there are dragons, and lots of killing and naked women, but all of that is just there to cement the shit that the book is actually about.

HBO kind of supported the "most base" aspects of the books because that is what is drawing tv watchers - but for book readers, most of us are staying around to figure out how these motherfuckers are going to save the world.

The issue isn't so much what is canon, book or tv, or even which is the more correct canon, the issue is that one is A Song of Ice and Fire series, and the other is Game of Thrones. And that the latter has gone from being "based on" , to being "inspired by".

Similar to my rant in the Batman thread; this is a show for people who aren't already fans or who became fans by watching the tv show. That's fine, but they relied on the book fans to begin with to get this show into high gear. It's sort of shitty that now that it's taken off, book fans are sort of the red headed step child.

#MakeLittlefingerGreatAgain
No, the problem is the book fans won't shut the fuck up and just watch the fucking show without nitpicking every single god damn scene that isn't exactly like it happened in the books. Tell your boyfriend, Martin to get off his lazy fat ass and finish the story if you hate the direction it's going so badly.
 
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I think we're going to see Billy Crystal next episode, cause it turns out that Melisandre is Miracle Max's wife.
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I'm surprised how many experts we have on some random blood riders relationship with some random khal. If I didn't know better I'd think it was just a bunch of people arguing based on nothing but ass talk.

I think the scene would have worked better if they were speaking English and we could hear their tone better rather than reading subtitles.
 

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No, the problem is the book fans won't shut the fuck up and just watch the fucking show without nitpicking every single god damn scene that isn't exactly like it happened in the books. Tell your boyfriend, Martin to get off his lazy fat ass and finish the story if you hate the direction it's going so badly.
Damn, son. All that saltiness cannot be good for your health. Scale it back.

At the risk of taking your bait, direction has nothing to do with it, as it's all going to go in the same place anyways. The issue is that's it's catering to the lowest common denominator. The TV version is like a peasant show; it's full of naked women, bloody battles and shocking revelations without any of the intelligent schemes, plots, manipulations or characters that got us there. The latter is what made book readers fans; the emphasis on the former is what is making it hard to keep watching as a book fan.

I'm surprised how many experts we have on some random blood riders relationship with some random khal. If I didn't know better I'd think it was just a bunch of people arguing based on nothing but ass talk.

I think the scene would have worked better if they were speaking English and we could hear their tone better rather than reading subtitles.
This isn't a bad criticism, but we have enough of a basis from the way Drogo talked to his blood riders. I mean yea, there's the ability to have different relationships, but considering how true to doctrine they seemed to be elsewhere in that conversation, the irreverence they showed Mago was surprising considering Drogo didn't put up with that shit.

And in truth, I don't think the relationship was the issue, really. That part and the "You stole my kill!" part seemed to just be forced to me. It was humor that was not common and in some unusual spots.
 

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it is pretty lame what they did to littlefinger too. in the books he pretty much owns half of westeros through deals and manipulation over the years. on the show he is just a shitty pimp. he just hands off sansa like its no big thing and goes along his merry way, possibly to whore out some more young girls.
 

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it is pretty lame what they did to littlefinger too. in the books he pretty much owns half of westeros through deals and manipulation over the years. on the show he is just a shitty pimp. he just hands off sansa like its no big thing and goes along his merry way, possibly to whore out some more young girls.
Someone has to keep Sam and J49 hooked up.
 

LadyVex_sl

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it is pretty lame what they did to littlefinger too. in the books he pretty much owns half of westeros through deals and manipulation over the years. on the show he is just a shitty pimp. he just hands off sansa like its no big thing and goes along his merry way, possibly to whore out some more young girls.
Yea, I don't remember what the reason he gave for giving Sansa to Ramsay, but it was entirely devoid of intelligence and foresight. Very unlike Littlefinger. I keep hoping it'll all make sense in the end, but even if it ends up coming around the right way, Littlefinger will still look like an idiot in that exchange.
 

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Ok, upon seeing the picture I guess it does look like they are on a boat. I didn't get that impression on the first watch through, but, those two weren't the ones watching from the docks either. I'm guessing that's Jaime's boat docked in harbor, Tristayne wasn't comfortable staying in King's Landing? I don't remember if that scene happend before or after Jaime had already docked and informed Cersei about their daughter. If it was after, it seems they were implying he was staying on the ship in harbor while Jaime went into King's landing.. If it was before, I don't know.. makes no sense, cause then Jaime would have seen his body and figured out who did it before docking, but they didn't do anything along those lines.
 

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Nah, Littlefinger would want to get Sansa accustomed to the idea of it being unpleasant, then he would swoop in and say "Hey, he did it all wrong! Let me show you!", then because Sansa's only experience was with a sadistic psychopath, it would be like night and day to her.

Speaking of which, I wonder if they will show wtf Littlefinger is up to.
 

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Nah, Littlefinger would want to get Sansa accustomed to the idea of it being unpleasant, then he would swoop in and say "Hey, he did it all wrong! Let me show you!", then because Sansa's only experience was with a sadistic psychopath, it would be like night and day to her.

Speaking of which, I wonder if they will show wtf Littlefinger is up to.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
 

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Yea, I don't remember what the reason he gave for giving Sansa to Ramsay, but it was entirely devoid of intelligence and foresight. Very unlike Littlefinger. I keep hoping it'll all make sense in the end, but even if it ends up coming around the right way, Littlefinger will still look like an idiot in that exchange.
Sansa in Winterfell is his best move. Gives him a powerful ally in both the North and the Riverlands.

If you think about it, he now has strong alliances with every house that borders The Vale (Stark/Bolton, Lannister/Kings Landing, Tulley). The guy is establishing his legacy. Sansa's poon ain't worth that - this is the Game of Thrones.
 

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Nah, Littlefinger would want to get Sansa accustomed to the idea of it being unpleasant, then he would swoop in and say "Hey, he did it all wrong! Let me show you!", then because Sansa's only experience was with a sadistic psychopath, it would be like night and day to her.

Speaking of which, I wonder if they will show wtf Littlefinger is up to.
A little out dated.
 

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It was actually quite clever in the show if you listened.

He gave Sansa to House Bolton as they wanted to secure their hold on the North. He then went to Cersei and said that Roose has appeared with Sansa (somehow!). This secured the Crown's backing over his indirect claim to the Vale as crazy Cersei wants Sansa back in KL to have her way with over Joffrey. He told Cersei that they would let Roose and Stannis fight, then go back up and take Sansa back. Sansa is completely unaware of this obviously and Roose knowingly agreed to rebel against the crown by marrying Sansa to Ramsay. He mentioned this in the episode as he scolded Ramsay for not realizing the threat they face. So he would "rescue" Sansa and she wouldn't even know that he was the one who knowingly created the situation for himself to profit from. That seemed like the idea anyway.

Without Sansa, Roose doesn't have the support of the North and the army of the Vale will still come and clean house.

There was also that scene where he says oh weak little boys don't last (Robin).

Pretty smart play really. Not sure why anyone would get the idea that Littlefinger is just a pimp. FFS, Varys outright tells Olenna Tyrell that he is the most dangerous man in Westeros.
 

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Yeah, if the show writers wanted to get rid of Tristayne, they could have easily just had Cersei order him killed as retaliation. Having the SS do it was very confusingly done.