GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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he's not talking about sophie turner

Terminator cemented it was multi-verse version of time travel in the TV show and in Genesys.
look at this guy talking about some fan-fic non-sense. terminator, terminator 2: judgement day. hell even that abortion terminator 3 rise of the machines. that's it.
 

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In regards to what made Hodor, Hodor. Did Bran cause that from his viewing of the past vision or something more intentional like taking control of Hodor's mind while in the vision? Does this mean Bran can some how retcon past events by influencing them at some level?
 

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I just finished off S2 last night and I felt the scene with Dany in the House of the Undying was probably entirely laced with foreshadowing (snow in the throne room, ceiling wrecked, going to the wall.) I haven't watched the seasons since the initial viewing so going back there are a ton of hints you can pick up on. Such as Melly giving her fire readings to Stannis and they all make a ton more sense if you plug in Jon instead of Stannis into what she's saying.
 

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In regards to what made Hodor, Hodor. Did Bran cause that from his viewing of the past vision or something more intentional like taking control of Hodor's mind while in the vision? Does this mean Bran can some how retcon past events by influencing them at some level?
"The past is already written, the ink is dry" doesn't appear to be true any more.
 

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Are the children of the forrest asian actors? like all of them? they had to find tiny girls and fit the bill?
 

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There are a lot of holes with just wtf happened with Hodor. How I understand it is Bran warged into Hodor in present time but was also sent back in time by the three eyed raven so that Hodor would hear her yelling at him to hold the door, all the way back then?

So really the three eyed raven fucked Hodor not Bran. Bran was never able to send himself into visions of the past before. Can the three eyed raven also see the future? Did he know that if they didn't fry Hodor's brain in the past that Willis wouldn't have stayed with Bran and held the door? And yea, where the hell are they getting exactly by him holding the door while she slowly meanders away yelling at him to hold the door over and over again?

And why did what's her face blow herself up when it did pretty much no good at all and would have had the same effect if she just threw her magic explosion ball behind her?
"Bran, to save the world, you must turn Hodor retarded." The mechanics of that whole scene were weird as hell. Bran had warged present Hodor from within a vision in the past somehow? Yet Meera refers to him as Hodor still instead of Bran while he's holding the door? Yet Bran still seems to be "conscious" in his vision with clear eyes? And then Willis' eyes glaze over in the middle of the whole scene for some reason after the fact? Was that supposed to mean Bran switched from warging present to past Hodor in order to make sure he gets retarded?
 

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Some things I noticed, all the effects of the children's magic carry the same color (Before they blow up) and the symbols the WW put on the ground correlate to the Weirwood stones.
 

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Are the children of the forrest asian actors? like all of them? they had to find tiny girls and fit the bill?
They just changed the main one (Leaf) to an asian girl this season. Probably because they used a child for her first appearance in Season 4, but needed more for this season. Leaf is only around for like a minute total this season, but they're kinda important and I do remember the kid from season 4 throwing the fireballs kinda awkwardly.

Leaf - Game of Thrones Wiki - Wikia
 

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the symbols the WW put on the ground correlate to the Weirwood stones.
I was thinking about this too, but couldn't put any significance to it until you posted these pics. The spiral on the left definitely has 7 arms to it. I think the one on the right does too, but it looks like it may have more.

Well, I'm not sure what having 7 arms means, but it seems significant!

edit: I mean, 7 is an obvious tie to the New Gods, but why would they be associated with the White Walkers / Children of the Forest? Having the Weirwood in the center and the stones radiating out from it signifies the New Gods originating from the Old Gods of the Forest?
 

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so does that insinuate that The Great Other is also the Drowned God, Red God(rhyllor) or The Many Faced God? was the voice Varys heard one and the same?
I honestly don't think there are gods. I assume its just magic, and people assigned 'gods' to it as a way to explain it. That article TJT linked earlier makes a good case that some magic event happened that destroyed a moon, and it was the rise of the this notion of gods--one of the meteors hit the water and you have the drowned god. Thousands of them came across the sky (Little shooting stars) and people called them dragons ect. But they all stemmed from an event that people eventually made the legend of the Lord of Light for, just like any primitive people, gods were assigned to something big they couldn't explain.

I personally think the Great Other is just warging gone bad. Children had Greenseers that, like BloodRaven, were able to use blood magic to bond themselves to a weirwood trees (Except when they died they warged into the tree permanently. In the books its hinted that Bloodraven held off on doing this in order to wait for Bran). This magic was used to "preserve" their history and life by putting their most powerful seers spirits in the tree (Kind of like how a Warg can jump into an animals body when he dies--these guys, if they set themselves up like Bloodraven, could jump into the trees). I think these tree spirits are the "Old Gods".

"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies," said Jojen. "The man who never reads lives only one. The singers of the forest had no books. No ink, no parchment, no written language. Instead they had the trees, and the weirwoods above all. When they died, they went into the wood, into leaf and limb and root, and the trees remembered. All their songs and spells, their histories and prayers, everything they knew about this world. Maesters will tell you that the weirwoods are sacred to the old gods. The singers believe they are the old gods. When singers die they become part of that godhood."

But then the War came, and the children were going to die..so they decided to summon one of these dudes back, an "Old God" and let him jump from the tree, into the body of a man. Except, the thing is, when you warg into something--you eventually become it after too long (I suspect the Weirwoods are the exception to this). When you warg into a wolf, eventually you'll lose your mind and become the wolf. I think the Old God who warged into that dude, eventually became human--and humans 'feel' differently from Children, they are much more driven, and can be angrier.

Humans, with their technology and growth were always kind of akin to Fire in the books--they consumed and changed, while the Children and other Magical creatures were more like Ice, they largely stayed the same. In the books, Amon says before he dies "Fire consumes, Ice Preserves" You can also see this in their life cycles, humans die quickly but have children to 'grow' their lines, while children have few offspring but live for a long time. In any case, humans and Children are fundementally different in how they react to things--humans don't just step silently into that good night (The Children were fighting back, but from what they said, they were more sad about their demise than angry--if they were having visions, they probably knew their time was up).

Men would not be sad. Men would be wroth. Men would hate and swear a bloody vengeance. The singers sings sad songs, where men would fight and kill

The above is Bran after listening to the Children lamenting that they are going to extinct. I think what happened was, this Old God possessed a human, and after a while lost his mind with anger. When the Children tried to make peace with the humans, he said fuck that and attacked them both. I think that's when these White Walkers went from being the soldiers of the Children, to being "Others" (Not human OR children.)

There is a great post on Redditillustrating that the Others are referred to like Weirwoodsor "tree soldiers" a lot (Or in one line a Child's snow knight.) Lends credence to the fact, I think, that what happened was a form of warging, a soul from a Children of the Forest, which had been in the tree as a kind of memory system (As noted above) jumped into the human, and they were going to use that as an army. Except shit went south.
 

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This might be getting too convoluted now.The political maneuvering and charm of the show is starting to get lost in this mindbending, timewalking, weirwood-old-god, bloodraven bullshit. It is interesting as far as the lore behind the white walkers but the Bran story has morphed into an all consuming mind fuck, super conspiracy theory fueled web of storylines that are casting too long a shadow at this point.
 

Khane

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This might be getting too convoluted now.The political maneuvering and charm of the show is starting to get lost in this mindbending, timewalking, weirwood-old-god, bloodraven bullshit. It is interesting as far as the lore behind the white walkers but the Bran story has morphed into an all consuming mind fuck, super conspiracy theory fueled web of storylines that are casting too long a shadow at this point.
It would be fine if you could make sense of it. Seems like he is making it up as he goes and there might be some merit to the thought that GRRM is literally stealing ideas from fan theories.
 

Tenks

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It would be fine if you could make sense of it. Seems like he is making it up as he goes and there might be some merit to the thought that GRRM is literally stealing ideas from fan theories.
Whats funny is my wife brought to me a fan theory that Hodor = "Hold The Door." Not sure how popular a fan theory it is/was since I don't read them. Though in her theory Hodor was holding the door trying to defend Lyanna -- which I told her doesn't make sense because Old Nan said Hodor just one day all of a sudden turned retarded.
 

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It would be fine if you could make sense of it. Seems like he is making it up as he goes and there might be some merit to the thought that GRRM is literally stealing ideas from fan theories.
I think thats a bit unfair, with something this popular there will always be theories that end up right. There are only so many ways the story can go, and these are all variations of stories we have had for all of history. I hope Bran doesn't become the central point of EVERYTHING - I don't like at all the theories that Bran the Builder is Bran warging back, or that Bran warged into the Mad King, Bran is responsible for the destruction of Valyria, etc.

The idea that the weir/raven are passive recorders of history is good enough for me, too much meddling and it becomes cumbersome. Its also really too early to see massive shifts in power between Bran/Walkers, that kind of stuff would really need to be done a few episodes before the series wraps up. I like the theory that the Night King is forcing Bran to escape past the wall, and his touch will let his army now pass the wall. Maybe Bran stops inside the wall, realizes TNK's plan, and stays at Castle Black / another outpost.

One thing I think would get everyone shook up is Bran straight up dying, I think everyone is assuming he is going to be some sort of savior right now.
 

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He doesn't need to be a savior but we have read too much of his boring ass story for him to not influence the main plot in some significant way. I hope the reason the book hasn't come out isn't that GRRM has just failed at tying this shit all together so it makes sense but they're going with it on the show anyway. I am personally fine with some stuff getting glossed over though as long as it's entertaining. Digging too deep into this shit and researching everything to ridiculous detail always leads to disappointment (See: LOST).
 

Tenks

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LOST turned into a disappointment not because of fan theories. It just turned into a shit show.