GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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Both my wife and I thought they were turning Dany heel. Not sure why or what the goal is with that but she is becoming very unlikable.
 
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It makes fine sense.

Is anyone bitching about how quickly Jon and Davos made it to Dragonstone? No? Weeks? Two days? So why can't a Greyjoy just sail around the south? Also, we never saw Euron himself, we just saw Silence.
Jon and Davos travelling to Dragonstone that quickly is jarring, but it doesn't conflict with anything. The Unsullied should have had a sizable head start on the Iron Fleet.
 

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Both my wife and I thought they were turning Dany heel. Not sure why or what the goal is with that but she is becoming very unlikable.

I want her to lose/die for sure, this show is a lesson that you can't always get what you want. Every single character that felt entitled to something has failed in some way - except Daeny. Even Cersei has lost her children, I'm not sure being ruler was an endgame goal of hers originally.

But I could also totally see Daeny surviving and we end with Targ in KL and Stark (Sansa) in WF and Jon somewhere in the middle (or dead)... and the circle begins anew, awaiting the next rebellion to overthrow KL etc etc.
 
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You definitely got tree feeling that the girl with the pixie cut was going to be significant but I just assumed it was because she saw Cersie and Jamie in bed together.
 

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I want her to lose/die for sure, this show is a lesson that you can't always get what you want. Every single character that felt entitled to something has failed in some way - except Daeny. Even Cersei has lost her children, I'm not sure being ruler was an endgame goal of hers originally.
That's definitely some GRRM level shit right there but i am not sure if Benioff and Weiss would go that far, although it would be an ending that would be talked about for years...like the Sopranos.
 

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Both my wife and I thought they were turning Dany heel. Not sure why or what the goal is with that but she is becoming very unlikable.

She has always been unlikable. She is the complete opposite of all the rules the series has established for the other characters in regards to acquiring the iron throne. Their setting her up for her inevitable death.
 

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I have to imagine that the "true" ending has been shared by GRRM. They may not be getting there exactly as GRRM would write it, but the destination has to be the same. Right, guys? Please, someone tell me I'm right!
 

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I have to imagine that the "true" ending has been shared by GRRM. They may not be getting there exactly as GRRM would write it, but the destination has to be the same. Right, guys? Please, someone tell me I'm right!
I would certainly hope so, but you know never know.
 

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What with her declaring war on the north by imprisoning Jon Snow?

Somehow I don't think letting him mine the dragonglass and providing any resources he needed to do so is going to be thought of as "imprisoning"
 

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Jon and Davos travelling to Dragonstone that quickly is jarring, but it doesn't conflict with anything. The Unsullied should have had a sizable head start on the Iron Fleet.
Really? Think about it.

Unsullied sail south to hit Casterly Rock. Snakes sail shortly after to head to Dorne. Euron heads into Blackwater, chats with Cerci and leaves, practically running into Snakes on his way out (Dragonstone and Kings Landing are pretty damn close). Euron either takes his entire fleet back to Kings Landing (maybe) or just one ship for him and his prizes while the rest of the Iron Fleet sails after the Unsullied. The Greyjoys are obviously going to be better sailors with better ships. Unsullied had to disembark, prepare a siege, take the Rock and within a day, Iron Fleet is there.

Only way it makes a little less sense is if Euron took the whole fleet with him back to Kings Landing and then went back after the Unsullied, but even then, you can just chock it up to them being plain better sailors and knowing their way around the southern coast much better than the Unsullied fleet. For all we know, the Unsullied might have swung south of The Arbor while the Iron Fleet went through the Redwyn Straight. That alone could be the difference in catching up. Not really a dues ex machina.
 
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the autist in me also did the math, for Euron to leave Kings landing and head to Casterly rock moving at the average speed of a wooden sailing ship (10 knots) it would take approximately 13-14 days to go the 4000 miles.

2 weeks actually seems reasonable, they just need to show the passage of time better on screen rather than have us do the math of how much time passes between scenes.
 
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I have to imagine that the "true" ending has been shared by GRRM. They may not be getting there exactly as GRRM would write it, but the destination has to be the same. Right, guys? Please, someone tell me I'm right!

Of course they are going to end in the same way. It has been known for quite a while that Benioff and Weiss know the ending.

Things have changed, side characters have dropped, but they know the major character deaths. They aren't going to kill Dany off in the show if she lives in the books and vice versa.
 

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Good. That restores my hope in her dying.
 
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I thought I remembered last year after Ramsay died that the producers said there would be a new "bad" guy that would be hated even more than Ramsay ever was. It was hinted if not outright stated that Euron would be that guy. Am I totally misremembering this? I'm in the camp that thinks Euron is one of the more interesting show characters this season and definitely not in the Ramsay category. Have the showrunners completely fucked up in trying to make Euron a bad guy and that we somehow feel bad for Asha or the sand snakes getting captured?

I'm worried that the season ending will be some retarded shit where Theon kills Euron and we're supposed to have a bunch of feels when instead we'll just be pissed another interesting character is gone.
 
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I thought I remembered last year after Ramsay died that the producers said there would be a new "bad" guy that would be hated even more than Ramsay ever was.
Pretty sure that was Pilou himself and not the showrunners who were saying that. He said he was going to be so psycho it would make Ramsay look like a little kid or something to that effect.
 

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I thought I remembered last year after Ramsay died that the producers said there would be a new "bad" guy that would be hated even more than Ramsay ever was. It was hinted if not outright stated that Euron would be that guy. Am I totally misremembering this? I'm in the camp that thinks Euron is one of the more interesting show characters this season and definitely not in the Ramsay category. Have the showrunners completely fucked up in trying to make Euron a bad guy and that we somehow feel bad for Asha or the sand snakes getting captured?

I'm worried that the season ending will be some retarded shit where Theon kills Euron and we're supposed to have a bunch of feels when instead we'll just be pissed another interesting character is gone.


GRRM has stated multiple times that he wanted to turn Theon into someone that we root for and I'm sure the show wanted to do that also. The problem with that is that its hard to root for a character who absolutely won't stand up for themselves. I really don't see how Theon redeems himself at this late date, after abandoning his sister like that and it wasn't even just so he could get reinforcements and try again. He just gave up.


I think Euron is supposed to be the bad guy and we were probably supposed to feel bad for the Sand snake and Ellaria. I don't like Euron or find him very cool, but I also don't hate him. Why would you? The Sand Snakes were laughably bad on the show and Ellaria while badass when she was with the Viper, kinda became a villain by killing Myrcella.
 
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Tyrion not accounting for the non-importance of Casterly Rock was actually a good plot point IMO. Minus the idiocy of the stealth ships.

Except Casterly Rock was important right up until they removed that very large army from it to go take Highgarden. I mean you can't ignore a force that size concentrated in one place, especially when you have a trump card to bypass the walls. The Lannister army escaping destruction at the sack of Casterly Rock was just Tyrion and Danaerys being unexpectedly outplayed, but then Euron's teleporting deus ex machina turned it into a disaster.
 
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Except Casterly Rock was important right up until they removed that very large army from it to go take Highgarden. I mean you can't ignore a force that size concentrated in one place, especially when you have a trump card to bypass the walls. The Lannister army escaping destruction at the sack of Casterly Rock would have just been a swing and a miss for Dany's forces until Euron's teleporting deus ex machina turned it into a disaster.

Well, unless we're just completely ignoring that a House's power comes from it's (presumably hundreds of thousands to millions) of peasants working in the fields/factories/farms of their dominion. A dominion which their army (also made up of smallfolk, smallfolk that had been called up) just completely abandoned to eunuch slaves. Is that something the army would even do, even if told to do it? Probably not.

And what do they do with Highgarden now? The local lords and small folk aren't loyal to Lannisters. Probably hate the shit out of them. Sure they took the castle (where were the Tyrell armies?) but can they hold it (where are the Tyrell armies?) and what would they do with it even if they could? It'd just be one rebellion after another.