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Dr.Retarded

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i see 3/4 cup of "butter"milk
I followed some recipe I saw I think on YouTube for just making cake where you use the pre-box stuff but then you can also add sour cream that gives you a moisture texture and a little bit of tartness. You still had to use oil. I guess the buttermilk is being used in the same manner. That recipe actually doesn't look too bad. That's probably very moist and maybe like a pound cake.

Like I said I really don't know the ratios and shit when it comes to baking, and I can be all over the board but I do know you need to follow the recipe or you can really screw it up.
 

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I think the last sort of back of the box recipe I followed was some Goofy frozen hash brown potato casserole thing I saw on YouTube, and I want to say I actually posted a picture of it. It was literally frozen hash browns some butter a can of cream of chicken soup whatever cheese I had on hand, baked in the oven and it was kind of like a gratin, and it was utterly delicious.

I think the difference is you were making a quick and easy frozen potato casserole and it was represented as such. Which is cool and that sounds good to me.

It gets more tricky if you're making (or in the case I brought up sharing or advertising) a classic dish and it's not only not traditional but uses imo unnecessary cheater ingredients but is represented as being traditional or the best ever.

If I'm taking about potato soup and I mention I use potato flakes for flavor or thickener, then that's just an ingredient or trick to use.

But if we're talking about potatoes au gratin and you say you have a great recipe that is the best ever and it's just boxed au gratin but you put extra real cheese on top... Nope. That's not a recipe. You're just heating up or fixing another person or company's food.

In the recipe I linked, for instance, even though cream of celery could be seen as just a trick or cheater step, it stood out because imo it was completely unnecessary, nontraditional without any explanation or acknowledgement, and arguably not easier. Still a recipe, maybe delicious (doubt it), but still bullshit and laughable.

It's like office potlucks where there's always someone who will talk up a recipe and always bring in their signature pot luck contribution, and then you learn it's just packaged meat balls warmed in a crock pot with bottled sweet and sour sauce. Uhh, not a recipe. You're just warming up other people's products. And please stop bragging about it.

Similarly, my girlfriend will make chocolate chip cookies that are really good and people often ask about her recipe, and she just tells them it's on the back of the Ghirardelli bag. And people are surprised both that it's that good and she's honest about it.

So I think it's partially about intention and representation of one's efforts. And aptitude of someone that has found a worthy short ut vs just throwing shit in a pot because shrug it's still edible.
 
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I think there are cake recipes out there that actually use olive oil.


Olive oil cakes can be pretty good even not liking olive oil.

Most cakes and batters like that have oil. Betty Crocker and other box mixes aren't usually too bad. They at least have good ratios. Just use good quality oil, real vanilla, good eggs, etc. The dry ingredients aren't going to be as fresh or high quality, but it will still be serviceable to actually good.

I've noticed good eggs and getting real(er) vanilla make big differences.

Having a tin of Ghirardelli cocoa powder isn't going to elevate basic brownies to the point they're that much better than their box mix. Though their box mix is noticeably better than generic, so there are differences. And screw making brownies from scratch.
 
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I think the difference is you were making a quick and easy frozen potato casserole and it was represented as such. Which is cool and that sounds good to me.

It gets more tricky if you're making (or in the case I brought up sharing or advertising) a classic dish and it's not only not traditional but uses imo unnecessary cheater ingredients but is represented as being traditional or the best ever.

If I'm taking about potato soup and I mention I use potato flakes for flavor or thickener, then that's just an ingredient or trick to use.

But if we're talking about potatoes au gratin and you say you have a great recipe that is the best ever and it's just boxed au gratin but you put extra real cheese on top... Nope. That's not a recipe. You're just heating up or fixing another person or company's food.

In the recipe I linked, for instance, even though cream of celery could be seen as just a trick or cheater step, it stood out because imo it was completely unnecessary, nontraditional without any explanation or acknowledgement, and arguably not easier. Still a recipe, maybe delicious (doubt it), but still bullshit and laughable.

It's like office potlucks where there's always someone who will talk up a recipe and always bring in their signature pot luck contribution, and then you learn it's just packaged meat balls warmed in a crock pot with bottled sweet and sour sauce. Uhh, not a recipe. You're just warming up other people's products. And please stop bragging about it.

Similarly, my girlfriend will make chocolate chip cookies that are really good and people often ask about her recipe, and she just tells them it's on the back of the Ghirardelli bag. And people are surprised both that it's that good and she's honest about it.

So I think it's partially about intention and representation of one's efforts. And aptitude of someone that has found a worthy short ut vs just throwing shit in a pot because shrug it's still edible.
I can agree with that.

I know when I've done shortcuts or whatever and people have asked how I made something, I just tell them what I did. I guess with the whole internet food blogger YouTube bullshit, for every good recipe or informative video there are 10 others that are just atrocious. I guess the point I was making though is it still a recipe, and I think he was arguing it's not. I do agree is the instructions are take frozen meatballs and buy a bottle of sweet and sour sauce and put it in a crock pot, that isn't a recipe that's just heating instructions.

The chowder is a recipe even though it might not be a good one. I still think it might be tasty but it's not going to blow your socks off more than likely.
 
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Here are the library friends donations I've snagged in the last year or so. More than I thought.... Almost feel like I've taken enough I should feel guilty. Including two "I Love Cinnamon Rolls" books because apparently I forgot I'd already snagged one. Not sure if I'm a klepto or horder...

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Here are the library friends donations I've snagged in the last year or so. More than I thought.... Almost feel like I've taken enough I should feel guilty. Including two "I Love Cinnamon Rolls" books because apparently I forgot I'd already snagged one. Not sure if I'm a klepto or horder...

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Hah, I bought a copy of the barbecue Bible from half price books back in college. That's a pretty good one. How's the French feast one?
 

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Check out my Italian Grandma's pizza recipe.

1) Order pizza from Domino's
2) Tear open powdered cheese packets that came in the box and sprinkle them over the pizza
3) Serve

My grandmother is not Italian.
 
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popsicledeath

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Hah, I bought a copy of the barbecue Bible from half price books back in college. That's a pretty good one. How's the French feast one?

I haven't gotten to flipping through half of them. Think I just picked up the French one recently thinking I needed some refinement in my repertoire. Step one, look up how to spell repertoire.

The dozen test kitchen cook books I have total now are pretty redundant, but the baking book and cookies are pretty good though. Think I'm gonna focus on the pies one, since it'll be practice with doughs and variety of desserts and hearty meals.
 
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French shit is great, just too much fucking work. Maybe for a holiday dish or some shit but regular day to day? Nahh.
 
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Dr.Retarded

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French shit is great, just too much fucking work. Maybe for a holiday dish or some shit but regular day to day? Nahh.
Yeah it's definitely for weekend meals, special occasions. We got a sauces book from the library sometime last year that I think had been a textbook from someone going to culinary school. Has lots of penciled annotations throughout. It's pretty daunting but the layout is great and it breaks down the relationship between all the mother sauces and their derivatives with multiple techniques for each. Lot of the stuff takes some work or a professional kitchen.
 

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took forever for this thing to come cuz of the snow delays
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Razorri Electric Tea Maker 1.7L with Automatic Infuser for Tea Brewing, Stainless Steel Glass Kettle, Presets for 5 Tea Types and 3 Brew Strengths, 24 Hour Delayed Start, Keep Warm Setting
yea, it's just what it is, it lowers tea leaves down to brew and up when done, breville has one as well and while i did just buy a breville espresso machine, i'm not gonna spend 300 on a tea kettle.

anyway it's totally silly unless you drink tea often, but for what it is, it does a great job
 

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took forever for this thing to come cuz of the snow delays
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Razorri Electric Tea Maker 1.7L with Automatic Infuser for Tea Brewing, Stainless Steel Glass Kettle, Presets for 5 Tea Types and 3 Brew Strengths, 24 Hour Delayed Start, Keep Warm Setting
yea, it's just what it is, it lowers tea leaves down to brew and up when done, breville has one as well and while i did just buy a breville espresso machine, i'm not gonna spend 300 on a tea kettle.

anyway it's totally silly unless you drink tea often, but for what it is, it does a great job
Hmmm, I am not uninterested. Unfortunately, the wife and I drink largely different tea, and not quite enough to warrant a dedicated kettle. A large batch is typically done for cold tea, we’ll just steep the bags in a large Takeya pitcher.
 

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This is for people who have difficulty lifting their tea bag out of the cup themselves? Not everything needs to be done by a machine.
 
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By the time Lanx dies his house is going to be one giant Amazon Rube Goldberg machine that literally does every task for him without him having to leave bed.
 
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Dr.Retarded

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This is for people who have difficulty lifting their tea bag out of the cup themselves? Not everything needs to be done by a machine.
Just looks like more shit to break and not be able to repair, so you replace after a year or two. We've got one of the little electric kettles with different temps. Heats fast and still going strong after maybe 6 years or so.
 
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Had a glass kettle once. It didn't end well.
i have a glass electric kettle i use almost daily for 10years, crosses fingers

yes that means i have 2 electric kettles, it was also my intention as well, my old kettle will be used for soups and whatever needs hot water (noodles/ramen, etc) on my kitchen counter and the tea kettle will be in the "cubby" i have for coffee/tea