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chaos

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The statistics are pretty indiscriminate. They also account for the irresponsible idiot that leaves 7 loaded guns around every door accidentally shooting himself. If you respect guns and are responsible for your guns, I'd think that the chances of hurting your kids by having a gun in the home is quite lower than the stats would suggest.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that. But having a gun for protection doesn't really do you much good if you have the weapons and ammo stored in separate safes or whatever bullshit they recommend. But having a loaded weapon on my nightstand doesn't work either with a 1,2, and 4 year old in the house. If they were 9, 10, and 12? maybe,but that is a long way off.
 

Gavinmad

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So get a pump action shotgun and just keep it somewhere up high where they cant reach until they're older and you need a better solution?
 

Tummysticks

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No state anywhere says you have to store guns and ammo in different safes. The rule is they must be stored somewhere a child (or other person no supposed to have access to guns) can access it. That means if you don't keep it locked up, the guns and ammo have to be stored separately. If it's in a safe, it can be in carry condition (loaded with one in the chamber) and it's completely ok.

So get a pump action shotgun and just keep it somewhere up high where they cant reach until they're older and you need a better solution?
Do NOT do that. I'm sure you're already aware of just how resourceful an inquisitive 4 year old can be.
 

chaos

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That's what I meant, I didn't even mean the law I was just referring to gun safety guidelines saying you should store the weapon and ammo separately. Which still sounds crazy to me, from a protection point of view.
 

Zodiac

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That's what I meant, I didn't even mean the law I was just referring to gun safety guidelines saying you should store the weapon and ammo separately. Which still sounds crazy to me, from a protection point of view.
For your home defense weapon (loaded) you use one of these - only you or your wife's fingerprints can open it.

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Jais

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Disclaimer: I don't have kids.

How about keeping the gun condition 3(ie loaded but not chambered)? I swap mine between condition 1 and 3 pretty often depending on if I have people over or where my gun(s) is/are. Can a 4 year old figure out how to rack a shotgun or slingshot a handgun slide if they do get their paws on it? If it's a handgun, add another step by removing the mag but keep it with the handgun. Like I said, I don't have kids or really any experience with them.

Edit: All these "solutions" add steps that should you need to employ your weapon will have to be overcome by you yourself in the moment, when your heart bpm is amped up and your fine motor skills are degraded. Forewarned is forearmed etc.
 

chaos

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Do NOT do that. I'm sure you're already aware of just how resourceful an inquisitive 4 year old can be.
And hell the fuck yeah. Putting stuff up high stopped being an effective deterrent a little while ago for her. I've seen them scale bookshelves to get at my wife's lunch. That is the "problem" to me is that if I got this thing for safety I would want it accessible, and yet if it was accessible it would be a danger to my (very young) kids.

It is something I am thinking about more and more. I don't know what I will think a few months from now but right now I am still in the "no" column.
 

chaos

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Disclaimer: I don't have kids.

How about keeping the gun condition 3(ie loaded but not chambered)? I swap mine between condition 1 and 3 pretty often depending on if I have people over or where my gun(s) is/are. Can a 4 year old figure out how to rack a shotgun or slingshot a handgun slide if they do get their paws on it? If it's a handgun, add another step by removing the mag but keep it with the handgun. Like I said, I don't have kids or really any experience with them.
Yeah, you would be shocked at what a 4 year old can figure out. It isn't something I would be willing to ever risk.
 

Zodiac

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That is the "problem" to me is that if I got this thing for safety I would want it accessible, and yet if it was accessible it would be a danger to my (very young) kids.
The bio-metric safe is small so you can put it on your nightstand or under the bed and it's faster than fishing your gun out of an unlocked drawer. Finger on scanner, the door drops and your in business.
 

Jais

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Hmm maybe one of those fingerprint safes then as Zodiac pointed out if you're thinking handgun. Or pump shotgun and loose shells, unless your kids are Rambo reincarnate and can figure out how to unlock the slide, rack it back, load a shell in, rack it forward, remove safety and manipulate the trigger.
 

Gavinmad

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And hell the fuck yeah. Putting stuff up high stopped being an effective deterrent a little while ago for her. I've seen them scale bookshelves to get at my wife's lunch. That is the "problem" to me is that if I got this thing for safety I would want it accessible, and yet if it was accessible it would be a danger to my (very young) kids.

It is something I am thinking about more and more. I don't know what I will think a few months from now but right now I am still in the "no" column.
There are always places in a house that a kid, no matter how ingenious, cannot climb, especially if they have no reason to because they have no idea something is up there. But yeah if you're that concerned about your children, then you get a handgun and a small safe to keep it in. Or an unloaded shotgun up somewhere high in your bedroom and keep the shells somewhere else.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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I wouldnt ever suggest having to rely on an unloaded shotgun. In competition mode i spend an hour a day dry firing and practicing loading/mag changes and still manage to throw shotshells on the ground more often than i should. Loading a shotgun in a high stress scenario just sucks.
 

Gavinmad

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False. Were you handicapped as a child?
We're still talking pretty young here, although I guess at 4 years old it they're pretty close to the manual dexterity and balance needed to climb like a damn monkey.

But I'd put money that no 4 year old could scale my china cabinet and pull down a shotgun off the top of it without me hearing them trying it. Then again it's easy for me to be so blase about the idea because I don't have any kids in my house, any time I'm taking care of my nieces or my friend's son it's at their respective houses. I'd almost certainly come down a bit further on the side of caution if I had regularly had kids in the house.
 

Ignatius

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My family has had a relationship with guns for as long as I can remember. My dad doesn't personally own one, and most likely never will, but he put the fear of god in me the first time we went to one of my uncle's house (Who did own guns). Basically said if he caught me or even heard about me thinking about going near one he'd skin me alive.

Since he has had kids, that same uncle now uses a biometric safe. Kids really are a gamechanger...I might keep my HD gun on my nightstand now, but if I ever have kids? I promise you that will be the first thing that changes. I've played with those things at several shops and I feel comfortable enough with them that I don't think they'd be a deterrent in home defense. Unless the guy is already on top of you in which case I highly doubt the gun on your nightstand will be much good anyway.

I use a 1911 as well Thorne. Nothing says fuck off like a .45.
 

Big Phoenix

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I went to the range with some friends when I was in the Navy, I really enjoy it. My concern is the safety of my kids, and statistically getting a gun makes them less safe. But at the same time you read about these things happening and you think "holy fuck I am completely unprepared for that."
Getting a car makes a house less safe. About 400 kids or so each year are killed by their parents backing up over them, but that doesnt mean you dont get a car.
 

chaos

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Getting a car makes a house less safe. About 400 kids or so each year are killed by their parents backing up over them, but that doesnt mean you dont get a car.
You don't think there is a huge difference for a fucking 4 year old? Come on. I'm not saying I don't want q gun because I think I would shoot my kids, but because of the possibility of an accident. The biometric safe seems like the best idea, I don't know, I'm talking about it with my wife. For me, seeing my kids and the shit they are capable of, it makes me cautious. But at the same time I feel like that is exactly why I might need some kind of firearms for protection. We will see, I guess.
 

General Antony

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You don't think there is a huge difference for a fucking 4 year old? Come on. I'm not saying I don't want q gun because I think I would shoot my kids, but because of the possibility of an accident. The biometric safe seems like the best idea, I don't know, I'm talking about it with my wife. For me, seeing my kids and the shit they are capable of, it makes me cautious. But at the same time I feel like that is exactly why I might need some kind of firearms for protection. We will see, I guess.
Purchasing a gun while you're still in the throes of your "emotional response" is probably not a wise decision.